From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7273 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2023 18:21:36 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Sep 2023 18:21:36 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E0F4028D; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 04:21:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC1CD4027A for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 04:21:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216DD5C011A; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:21:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ronnatalie.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s= fm1; t=1695061284; x=1695147684; bh=TDv77AF1MTFEo3Etbp7Kp5Oas7Mh NOaJj3elQco0RQs=; b=IPlPHijUXq/SrDScBLbx69kPC+epl1WmU+MjfetunTN8 UjkZcfl/buDPCfOZ+b5bpPlrzLporiGQDFJSp0CkeOzejYyP8N74S9wH6Wjj6TVM K6LY7rRbql9+XNi2uyX3Ac3J5XWbTFKkQP0ozmqLhiQ4h1mniKunEJqZRdA0F+8z aHouPH2sxHWwQqwasJl1bmEEuAm010EqEBotODlIUFEjzWsIpEamc7B4QdA8KkEY k2M5HP4BHeQ3SnKqjPAPYM25+3bL84VTFpdSXNQSne0J7MHPAo8Zwh9ye4C4vupZ jZfJYqdAU5l/ghwoOV9NgpjOntJGvV3HI3yKN8B3KA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t= 1695061284; x=1695147684; bh=TDv77AF1MTFEo3Etbp7Kp5Oas7MhNOaJj3e lQco0RQs=; b=GWkpVu7C5xaRF6KS3YjkQhNBE+JY/QFNILQuYk84mmO23axri0J ZmCAbkwkp18SYB7NWV0jxrds2nEe/et/cLYqTGu1I2JdJnVSzwpE/FFQX/o/FG2p OshhQQwXdNsK7cGFx5MlS0a0sEf8JMbKn18RnF520A098InQgGvjE6JMtMyZp/pe lrgRUwF4dtz+uCgG37fOnOCUHd1NGRquA9D2T0y6+r03C46v2jkZZBI0D3NssiH5 texoUhQ5RZVDzS0PFJQMdVIfP3uJGCdl1ZYuGEDyL+g8TWsj/FRSSMpZX8rZJyDl CwfoESwJhj8P4/HNOckLk4EFSOfwFLh0AeA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedviedrudejkedguddvvdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufffkfgjfhhrfgggtgfgse htqhertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpedftfhonhgrlhguucfprghtrghlihgvfdcuoehrohhn sehrohhnnhgrthgrlhhivgdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepieehgeefveettd etgefgleekieetledtfedttdeigeekhfelledvjeevteegueehnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfu ihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprhhonhesrhhonhhnrghtrghlih gvrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: iaba146ad:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ronald Natalie" To: segaloco , "The Eunuchs Hysterical Society" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 18:21:13 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: eM_Client/9.2.1841.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: K2BLQT7W3Z2UTJEZJ5ESSMWOINA7LNKQ X-Message-ID-Hash: K2BLQT7W3Z2UTJEZJ5ESSMWOINA7LNKQ X-MailFrom: ron@ronnatalie.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ronald Natalie Subject: [TUHS] Re: UNIX Influence on Teletype and Vice Versa List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: The thing most people know in the (computer) world as a teletype is a=20 model 33 which really UNIX was unaffected by (other than dealing with=20 the limited character set) and UNIX didn=E2=80=99t influence. For those w= ith a=20 model 37 (I had one in my house for a while picked up surplus from Rocky=20 Flats), you knew of its influence on UNIX. This was a unit that the=20 line terminator was indeed NEWLINE (^J) rather than carriage return. It=20 dealt with all the ESC 8 and 9 and the like that nroff put out by=20 default and th SI/SO to shift from the regular to the greek character=20 box. The mechanical teletypes largely predated UNIX having the ability to=20 change anything. That doesn=E2=80=99t mean that UNIX didn=E2=80=99t affect the TELETYPE bran= d. The 5620=20 DMD bore the Teletype brand but came straight from BellLabs Blit (aka=20 Jerry) work.