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From: "Ronald Natalie" <ron@ronnatalie.com>
To: "Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>, "Noel Chiappa" <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] One's complement (was: reviving a bit of WWB)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 16:10:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <embf1e21d2-d0d3-459d-ad92-2b67406166ed@alien> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfobDqLuU1dAvmWbhcLXG_u1Eo3WnwZTWFQO201YNiRuHg@mail.gmail.com>

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The DECSystem20 (and the PDP-10 before) were 36 bit two's complement 
machines.  You had to go back to the PDP-1 if you want one's complement 
in the DEC line.    The CDCs and UNIVACs were the only ones that were 
still kicking around in my era.


>>
>>Just to confirm, I pulled out my PDP-10 Hardware Reference Manual; Vol 
>>I - CPU
>>(EK-10/20-HR-001), and it does indeed say (pg. 1-12): "The fixed-point
>>arithmetic instructions use 2's complement representations to do 
>>binary
>>arithmetic." Selah.
>
>Back in school, we had our machine organization course. When we learned 
>about 1's complement, the professor said "I've used a lot of machines 
>that had this. You will likely never see one with it. There are no 
>operational machines on campus with that."It stuck with me. We had a 
>TOPS-20 machine...  the odd turn of phrase was due to a professor that 
>had a board of unknown origin hanging on the wall that was a rumored to 
>be a CDC or similar... ah, the mid 80s...

Warner

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-25 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-25 15:21 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-25 15:30 ` Warner Losh
2020-09-25 16:10   ` Ronald Natalie [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-09-19  1:51 [TUHS] reviving a bit of WWB Doug McIlroy
2020-09-20 18:42 ` arnold
2020-09-20 19:28   ` Will Senn
2020-09-20 20:12     ` Steve Nickolas
2020-09-24  2:25       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-09-24  2:33         ` Clem Cole
2020-09-25  0:18           ` [TUHS] One's complement (was: reviving a bit of WWB) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-09-25  0:22             ` Warner Losh
2020-09-25  1:39               ` John Cowan

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