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Linderman" , jason-tuhs@shalott.net Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2022 01:47:19 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: eM_Client/9.0.1755.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MB0A26C828-4FD1-43CB-8D8F-691C748C5F45" Message-ID-Hash: BGVARBIVYLCDGIONZY4XU7WYOKD2N5DN X-Message-ID-Hash: BGVARBIVYLCDGIONZY4XU7WYOKD2N5DN X-MailFrom: ron@ronnatalie.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: steve jenkin , TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ronald Natalie Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early Unix and Keyboard Skills List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --------=_MB0A26C828-4FD1-43CB-8D8F-691C748C5F45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m not sure the model 33 required a carriage return delay. At 11= 0=20 baud it had plenty of time to move the carriage. back. Other printers (especially faster ones) weren=E2=80=99t so lucky, but the L= A36=20 decwriter had a catchup mode to print the backlog after a return. The LA120 was boustrophedonic so returns weren=E2=80=99t as much of an issu= e. ------ Original Message ------ >From "John P. Linderman" To jason-tuhs@shalott.net Cc "steve jenkin" ; "TUHS" Date 11/2/2022 12:20:12 PM Subject [TUHS] Re: Early Unix and Keyboard Skills > > >On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:02 PM wrote: >> >> > I=E2=80=99ve never heard anyone mention keyboard skills with the peopl= e of=20 >>the >> > CSRC - doesn=E2=80=99t anyone know? >> >> >>https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/AUUGN/AUUGN-V05.4.pdf (p23) >> >> > History tells us that the guys who designed [UNIX] did their own=20 >>typing >> > into the machine. It seems to me that because of this, the main=20 >>reason >> > that UNIX enjoys/suffers from terse input and output is not through=20 >>any >> > intellectual design decisions made at some early stage but because=20 >>the >> > UNIX designers were just bad typists working on slow peripherals. >> >> >> -Jason > >Mostly rampant speculation on my part, but with 110 baud modems, 10=20 >characters per second right?, >and added delays for carriage returns, it was the peripherals that=20 >encouraged brevity. Code would be >viewed multiple times, but entered roughly once. --------=_MB0A26C828-4FD1-43CB-8D8F-691C748C5F45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= I=E2=80=99m not sure the model 33 required a carriage return delay. =C2=A0= At 110 baud it had plenty of time to move the carriage. back.
Oth= er printers (especially faster ones) weren=E2=80=99t so lucky, but the LA36 = decwriter had a catchup mode to print the backlog after a return.
The LA120 was boustrophedonic so returns weren=E2=80=99t as much of an is= sue.=0A

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Subject [TUHS] Re: Early Unix and = Keyboard Skills

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On We= d, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:02 PM <jas= on-tuhs@shalott.net> wrote:

=0A> I=E2=80=99ve never heard anyone mention= keyboard skills with the people of the
=0A> CSRC - doesn=E2=80=99t = anyone know?
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=0Ahttps://www.tu= hs.org/Archive/Documentation/AUUGN/AUUGN-V05.4.pdf (p23)
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= =0A> History tells us that the guys who designed [UNIX] did their own ty= ping
=0A> into the machine.=C2=A0 It seems to me that because of t= his, the main reason
=0A> that UNIX enjoys/suffers from terse inpu= t and output is not through any
=0A> intellectual design decisions = made at some early stage but because the
=0A> UNIX designers were = just bad typists working on slow peripherals.
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=0A= =C2=A0 -Jason

Mostly rampant speculation on my part, but wit= h 110 baud modems, 10 characters per second right?,
and added delays for carriage returns, = it was the peripherals that encouraged brevity. Code would be
viewed multiple times, but= entered roughly once.
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