From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 30203 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2023 01:52:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Jan 2023 01:52:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445FC42421; Sun, 1 Jan 2023 11:52:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FA8B4241F for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2023 11:52:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3FF5C00D6; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 20:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 31 Dec 2022 20:51:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ronnatalie.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:date:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t= 1672537918; x=1672624318; bh=8WqlJ1NPwFFNOPXFqITuqRJJbuEavE5eUz1 TUmoVT9Q=; b=sF/g2c5a7nkEOxg3lJMdezyI2/7L3swX1hUP0SozbocRat0nzmJ QpQ21O00IaNncfLA0ck4gvOBglBe+h3+GjMlrDxDVwnTXIyFxFqd5E/OkRFALjbY udkCuW5doJN1SebWwueTiFPUNu4Ams4L39hXCfKoigRJjjglCYQzTz7gJHYnoRhz 8hmb2mMWFIBR8coYW2FaiGJe53qkjc1Xsn8DChVI4zA/DdCUDQyF4F8J2DomNaXD KDdnVjEh1msmjG5S+R50o24+8OyqD+srfNbuTFmcIVON1TVSTe/X3VMwJSJA9oDh lwngCH5UstxTb4XarHlecEx9r9csR/wB8bw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t=1672537918; x= 1672624318; bh=8WqlJ1NPwFFNOPXFqITuqRJJbuEavE5eUz1TUmoVT9Q=; b=d StBiwepkpbfv3AzEtNBvPpVhxnET8ugxxGFgsBywag3v7wqflffpSl1YCebd+YoJ vQvVdEnYabtM89+MWqAI13BopUmSyGjvdrw3oMUfHPl0k9M4bXMyXnJdu87cDH7u OVpNvzhtxyIT6kFLV/3GkbPGisUO5H5+0IkPqQtp9TCbQiANNNyahkJrpuYtyxlS K0iE5LGL/QN0T1y2SShSABP+ziMRhPGd18GKW779trUOZlUfL2oa9tTgs2jxAi17 vVBFRl9lULs2p2wT1nEGRBf02+oW0C4IwQuyfRh4cApiTFBmAn9xbNUMhIWyXm6i 4zVbET6G/rnjZnGGFDZjQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrieelgdegtdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufffkfgjfhhrfgggtgfgsehtqh ertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpedftfhonhcupfgrthgrlhhivgdfuceorhhonhesrhhonhhn rghtrghlihgvrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeffudetveetffeutefhleelvd dtfefhkefhvdfghedujeevieejkedvvddtjeevgeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt necurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehrohhnsehrohhnnhgrthgrlhhivgdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: iaba146ad:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 20:51:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron Natalie" To: "Jon Steinhart" , tuhs@tuhs.org Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2023 01:51:57 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <202212311849.2BVIntjP356028@darkstar.fourwinds.com> References: <52FB6638-AEFF-4A4F-8C2E-32089D577BA0@planet.nl> <464819f0-d2f6-2a60-6481-a194f4428b4d@case.edu> <20221230200246.GW5825@mcvoy.com> <8ca17d52-a25a-dbbf-e1f0-d743b8884cfa@in-ulm.de> <202212302048.2BUKmBBs253245@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20221231114037.7D30921FB4@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <202212311849.2BVIntjP356028@darkstar.fourwinds.com> User-Agent: eM_Client/9.2.1222.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: K3DI355M25N623FNBROZOJFNFBKV4SH3 X-Message-ID-Hash: K3DI355M25N623FNBROZOJFNFBKV4SH3 X-MailFrom: ron@ronnatalie.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ron Natalie Subject: [TUHS] Re: A few comments on porting the Bourne shell List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Berkeley Job Control was implemented in the kernel and originally only=20 supported in CSH. I detested csh, so I figured out how it worked and=20 hacked it into a 5(r0) Bourne Shell. But he time I did that, all the=20 other BRL guys were using tcsh and so to counter, I hacked command line=20 editing into the 5R2 Bourne shell. ------ Original Message ------ >From "Jon Steinhart" To tuhs@tuhs.org Date 12/31/2022 1:49:54 PM Subject [TUHS] Re: A few comments on porting the Bourne shell >Ralph Corderoy writes: >> Hi Jon, >> >> > > I guess in interactive use most users would only miss one thing: >> > > the history & line editing capability? >> > >> > Job control? >> >> Just as history and line editing were a possible enhancement to the TTY >> driver, didn't Pike comment that job control was cooked up in foreign >> climes because they couldn't drag out a new TTY window in pixels? >> >> Was something like screen(1)'s =E2=80=98Ctrl-A c=E2=80=99 considered in = the TTY driver >> to spin up another pseudo-TTY rather than suspend the long job with >> Ctrl-Z and =E2=80=98bg=E2=80=99 it? > >My memory is really fuzzy on this. I recall that job control came along >with csh which I used until bash. At the time there were hardly any >graphics displays used as interactive devices. I'm talking Berkeley job >control here; I seem to remember that someone got wedged into System V >that was awful and unusable. > >Jon