From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27379 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2021 16:56:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Feb 2021 16:56:25 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2F0259C1EC; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:56:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD3095050; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:55:42 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=mxes.net header.i=@mxes.net header.b="UfcVwLTq"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6F1C79503A; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:55:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp-out-4.mxes.net (smtp-out-4.mxes.net [198.205.123.69]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1FF595033 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:55:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Customer-MUA (mua.mxes.net [10.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DD20759D3 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 11:55:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mxes.net; s=mta; t=1613062536; bh=bojVuTxfFSaFgrk9BTb0Cf78rVmL3F6Zl8Jtw7JajDI=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=UfcVwLTqRkyeZRXOIHthrcYp3q/n7mue+sB9EM3lL7QIqbmpq6ozB7Aa+xIxO5B80 +pFlvynQN8Orwd4vctbySJ+7vvCHq8iEiy34pUp6GgtUXUFrE0Im0b3y/GJA+N0mND 7ZHfs2TkG3b7FukJfZVooeU8ZX+dLdDMNOt3LzGY= From: "Ron Natalie" To: "The Unix Heritage Society mailing list" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:55:34 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <8b580c46-ecfb-9383-ed43-08108b3ee7bf@tllds.com> <20201130163753.GB18187@mcvoy.com> <202102102236.11AMann01820861@darkstar.fourwinds.com> User-Agent: eM_Client/8.1.1054.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MB1D8C8B36-877E-4BAE-BE00-B3D10C861999" X-Sent-To: Subject: Re: [TUHS] troff was not so widely usable (was: The UNIX Command Language (1976)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Ron Natalie Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --------=_MB1D8C8B36-877E-4BAE-BE00-B3D10C861999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's important to know the difference between a font and a typeface. =20 A typeface isn't protectable. That's the representation of the actual=20 letters on the printed page (or screen in our case). George was free=20 to scan the output of the phototypesetter. The font is the process to make these (in modern days small programs=20 that generate the letters). This is what can be protected by copyright. The name can be protected by trademark as well. HELVETICA is a=20 trademark (now) of Mergenthaler Linotype. Arial is a similar typeface=20 but that name is owned by Monotype. Straying a little from the topic, a real Linotype machine is a joy to=20 behold. They have one at the Baltimore Museum of Science and Industry=20 that they still fire up weekly. What it does is integrate a keyboard=20 with the actual fonts (molds for molten lead) and casts a line of type=20 (hence the name) at a time. After it does so, the molds go back into=20 sorted hoppers for further use. To answer the other question about George Toth at JHU. He was our=20 documetnation guy and went off to work for Airinc or something. I've=20 not heard from him in a long time. We continued to use his verset and=20 a versatec for a while with straight troff. I also hacked it to draw=20 on the framebuffers in BRL's graphics labs. Later more fonts became=20 available from the Berkeley vcat/vtroff. Ditroff allowed direct=20 selection of mutliple fonts as opposed to having to hack on the=20 "railmag" file (remember that guys?). Standard troff voodoo, just put a power of two backslashes in front of=20 it until it works and if you still have problems add a \c. -Ron --------=_MB1D8C8B36-877E-4BAE-BE00-B3D10C861999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's important to kno= w the difference between a font and a typeface.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A typeface isn= 't protectable.=C2=A0 That's the representation of the actual letters on th= e printed page (or screen in our case).=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0George was free= to scan the output of the phototypesetter.

The font is the proce= ss to make these (in modern days small programs that generate the letters).= =C2=A0 This is what can be protected by copyright.

The name can be protected by trademark as well.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 HELVETICA i= s a trademark (now) of Mergenthaler Linotype.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Arial is a simil= ar typeface but that name is owned by Monotype.

Straying a littl= e from the topic, a real Linotype machine is a joy to behold.=C2=A0 =C2=A0T= hey have one at the Baltimore Museum of Science and Industry that they stil= l fire up weekly.=C2=A0 =C2=A0What it does is integrate a keyboard with the = actual fonts (molds for molten lead) and casts a line of type (hence the n= ame) at a time.=C2=A0 =C2=A0After it does so, the molds go back into sorted = hoppers for further use.

To answer the other qu= estion about George Toth at JHU.=C2=A0 =C2=A0He was our documetnation guy a= nd went off to work for Airinc or something.=C2=A0 I've not heard from him= in a long time.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We continued to use his verset and a versatec= for a while with straight troff.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also hacked it to draw on th= e framebuffers in BRL's graphics labs.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Later more fonts became = available from the Berkeley vcat/vtroff.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ditroff allowed direc= t selection of mutliple fonts as opposed to having to hack on the "railmag" = file (remember that guys?).

Standard troff vood= oo, just put a power of two backslashes in front of it until it works and i= f you still have problems add a \c.

-Ron
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