From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32538 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2023 20:10:07 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jan 2023 20:10:07 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C4C424B4; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 06:09:57 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1674158997; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=cv2205zvj7RNGWpk5sF45FqRJILPxhTqJmCPKDzwWh4=; b=2U5KCs+04Xvo8Za4NWPIobolvnWPyj8Lj/RDat45f5cNUdDbFA/BlP6urKO/sAdmCt9Cf2 8+DGeP8qB2VsgJkW7UN1SKL/7oLYXGeydh8gwHnVDTwrjju9rJ14bSY0pRb5GvvooPJ63c hoVHgrHKTTNTNw4VeR5uaY6ryyL7a9M= Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch (mail-4318.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F0DE424AF for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 06:09:53 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 20:09:43 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1674158990; x=1674418190; bh=cv2205zvj7RNGWpk5sF45FqRJILPxhTqJmCPKDzwWh4=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=fqc71LcYUW/karkDRCq++0ko9R22rCtxll7mlI8wKwCw5zwHAc/Z6uA0hOb2bgozn bexMe7uAZahhYVXfvXY8sn4AksmJARNLrw/ePVy2XxQQ3cQH26JG9Q77VFFpiE522L SUnvOGbTqfMAWGZjMqHo3Pn+Uh1dBj592ASK9Bwpu3FDmS7WXkouMvNMZrLt7n0cSn DUAIQRw/+Z4Tupzs/RgWiaIrj7cL4s14+kqismUwhXq4d0wRb7cSAg/ut1jsbZx6/z AaaSMeqbjPOQrREfgG1G5BG7NKiWlDo9Ocr1m9etJey5K44jgGYbvemZkxoOJAeT6t jjiuzyJbAoghg== To: Will Senn Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301181513.30IFDDUJ015224@freefriends.org> <20230118151446.GD2964@mcvoy.com> <20230118161959.GE2964@mcvoy.com> <0882D9CA-FAC8-4EC6-BA82-CE1D457423E5@iitbombay.org> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: W4TMZNVSEIWVL2T3KW3BP7DGYCPBSSE2 X-Message-ID-Hash: W4TMZNVSEIWVL2T3KW3BP7DGYCPBSSE2 X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Bakul Shah , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The death of general purpose computers, was - AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco > Is the future coming where I will only be allowed to run approved applica= tions > on my device (via something like an App store or somesuch)? This so much. I've gone full circle on smartphones by this point, begrudgi= ngly accepted getting one at my parents behest many years ago, then ditched= the thing in 2020 and never looked back. Luckily I never had the displeas= ure of an Apple device, so had a bit more control than they allow, but stil= l didn't like the implications of smartphone OS norms. The idea that I can fully pay for and own a device and yet generally have t= o exploit some sort of security loophole or backdoor developer feature to a= ctually use the device fully is completely asinine to me. I could see a ca= se for not having root access on a phone that hasn't been paid off yet, but= that root access isn't expressly granted on completion of a payment plan i= s an insult to users. It's a bummer too because I want to be excited about the idea of potentiall= y having a powerful computer with me just about anywhere, but at the same t= ime, if that power is significantly throttled (see Game "Optimizing" Servic= e...), and full root access to the device is not granted easily, then it's = not any more useful to me than a kiosk at Walmart. One thing that makes me particularly sad about the decrease in effective co= mputer accessibility (effective being a loaded term here for root access, c= ontrol of applications, etc.) is that having a good computer and access to = the right information can make a subject-matter expert of anyone willing to= put in the time. In my own experience, having relatively unimpeded access= to computers since I was a kid is the key reason I've been able to learn s= o much. Taking that way and replacing it with stuff like Chromebooks and s= mart devices diminishes the likelihood of the right person having the right= computer at the right time. Not to say that people won't still be inventi= ve, but who knows what influence a bunch of Apple-ized computation will hav= e on the next generation, vs the influence of relatively widespread and ope= n systems in the decades preceding. - Matt G.