From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7502 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2024 00:09:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Jan 2024 00:09:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E3343DD5; Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:09:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:dc4:8::224]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D65D140FCB for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:09:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94D11E0002 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2024 00:09:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bitsavers.org; s=gm1; t=1704067763; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Bacq2SIPECmn9PjDunczg8DPAmXXzgGxHeirt95Y5yk=; b=m24KIPCzCSfmFVYMQ76Uv8PEQiAU2//VxFSHSCAZ7ll3hXKChWASxwfsKLJ18DIS4PefuR 76RqnppblB8D7bBm9QXJP/jnipzCnFmkIhnJm7gdJEOmXqoSJyMeNrVy0bdYScZOXa9+7l Usmo1eRD7MILy2nTTvbUxtvJv4Zu1MIPtY8rD0gQBP2UTpTaGgMSe6MWXfYpPH5jk6jGO0 F+XY7R+OjSMFS8CJENcrbVGeLqQZ3Z4o2QZflztAWwcQAPIzGPcsnTTPzCxv65EvXAg5va uAZ6JUuysPFqyp8XYCeI36MGSo4Pil1yUaP2E1X5xoG/vFeg7CE9nLkyLcQw8Q== To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <6470c59f-a1e5-418f-803d-76bcd761f530@tnetconsulting.net> <20231231224649.h45pogxycgkgs673@illithid> <20231231235023.dqi3pxchnn3paeax@illithid> From: Al Kossow Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 16:09:19 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20231231235023.dqi3pxchnn3paeax@illithid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GND-Sasl: aek@bitsavers.org Message-ID-Hash: FAAQXRR5JZQ6ZMZQN4GEWVVDAK3QBVM4 X-Message-ID-Hash: FAAQXRR5JZQ6ZMZQN4GEWVVDAK3QBVM4 X-MailFrom: aek@bitsavers.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Question about BSD disklabel history List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: >> assume boot ROM code descended from the original Macintosh (or even >> Lisa, maybe). The PowerPC "New World" PowerMacs, which immediately >> departed from the beige color scheme, did come in with Apple's >> acquisition of NeXT. Sorry, I don't see the original of this misstatement The first generation Nubus PowerMacs use essentially an unmodified 68K ROM for booting, emulating a 68LC040 to do so. Also, Mac and Lisa firmware are completely different from each other. The second generation machines with PCI had Open Firmware. "New World" refers to ROM in RAM systems which have pretty much just some hardware init and OF in them and started around the time of the iMac