From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c3da0d36 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 17:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 087269BCD0; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 03:51:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DAB9BCD5; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 03:51:33 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="dtdj7q4k"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2A53B9BCD5; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 03:51:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-f175.google.com (mail-pf1-f175.google.com [209.85.210.175]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA8D29BCD0 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 03:51:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-f175.google.com with SMTP id q139so246444pfc.13 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:51:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KRrZUxvngfFvEFwPoEHIYr6ixiQt7fUb/tsDYxn1H6E=; b=dtdj7q4k2cU/y+PPU8hQK0ycMiuf991fdnDnvoquLWslVok/jRgOjtCXXvf8/aL1Pf /bEbik0g3HfVdQ8t/zkl6SP6Mc6zReUU8ODrwqt8MocDE6vQqxR8Nm+xI63XMqHt3dmM YS8nGpVE2q7H4CPPEySDUiFj3FV638K6cwhe4NLFebpu9naGmPpXnU/uSBw8fCfwWlDv zM/MDCL0kdySASxjhrc/ZY+57O2qmL0Jdp3RZOLGzbyu0N6RfpPmLdF37qfBs29m3QjU D+ktwgwoewPvuzuDUAe8F/rwmLre8EhVn7pPOOHcTrSzmLJUZoRjAFIn9jEUYb/rViD/ xP/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KRrZUxvngfFvEFwPoEHIYr6ixiQt7fUb/tsDYxn1H6E=; b=mUf0Mur/GUfihO6Sz9KlObWBVNcR1FNJUn/MtJG6RaapFKC1iPn9lwsydPn8a3kKtC 4YsOm7DilwN7SprlLg9fZI8yq5f7eFLcc51pj2+52kCr4+GFcyxWEHqfPtaruZAJ3rCl D4QM6jDW1apkMhCriOkGNlnqn7S4JoqGp1GnCLeuZFQkQ+pjczd9OTT3dIC8/53jPIqL oZSgVSQGBT/WxLqtdThKcWi+GOTU48uKNiF2MTky9Umwo6FtbH5UbInSrz7gqS89qSwj Q1T8WbdsMzrq0XBrr6kOvhqjkpxThvLHpUKlUwOag6jlfUwV7PlJPaZEwwY5aebiAnk8 Hsug== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW0YdpJ0MGAa74ZovVrVwU0AvEyi2ufygfXfbhejDQi1uQ7PdlO wtMmnqn4WvU1I5qWLyk9c95nuJuCIfM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxIh+StFEIwmR787fvxkxvOGzdXV0CKB2i8hhTQ9edqHFAZfwGXaTQZ17r5S64l/jjWXlzP6g== X-Received: by 2002:a62:5501:: with SMTP id j1mr6041067pfb.166.1567014691022; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.42.9] (135-180-1-185.static.sonic.net. [135.180.1.185]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f205sm7721997pfa.161.2019.08.28.10.51.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:51:30 -0700 (PDT) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20190828063045.GE75146@server.rulingia.com> <20190828173228.GZ13570@mcvoy.com> From: Jon Forrest Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:51:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190828173228.GZ13570@mcvoy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] If not Linux, then what? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 8/28/2019 10:32 AM, Larry McVoy wrote: > Perhaps Clem can shed some light on why DEC did a MIPS machine? I had > sort of stopped paying attention to them, so don't know the reasoning. I always thought it was because the Vaxes were too slow (and too expensive) to compete with Sun, and the Alphas wouldn't be ready soon enough. So, going with MIPS was a relatively quick and easy solution. In UC Berkeley CS in the early 90s we had lots of DEC MIP-stations. In fact, I believe that Ousterhout used them to develop Sprite. IIRC, there weren't nearly as many Suns, which was odd, considering that Dave Patterson was in the department. As a result of the Sequoia 2000 project we got great deals on DEC hardware. Jon