From: Grant Taylor via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] off-topic list
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 14:47:23 -0600 [thread overview]
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On 06/25/2018 02:09 PM, Clem Cole wrote:
> Below...
;-)
> Warning.... there a lot of stuff that is pre-internet in the guts (i.e.
> was designed during the Arpanet) so IP support got added to it. And
> even with the last versions, its missing a lot (i.e. I'm the person that
> hacked^h^h^h^h^h^hadded the original BSD resolv client code to it one
> weekend, lord knows how many years ago). Again this is why QMAIL
> became the replacement. Borstien is an amazing coder and I respect him
> immensely, although his personality leaves a little to be desired...
I consider myself so advised.
Wait, are you saying that qmail was written as a replacement for PMDF?
Or that you used qmail as your replacement for PMDF?
> Ahem ... We did it before they did (by a number of year actually).
> It was also the mail for CS-NET/PhoneNET, when BBN picked it up.
I'm sorry, I was not meaning to imply anything other than my ignorance
of MMDF history.
> Mail-11 is DEC's mail standard. And is mostly a protocol spec.
ACK
> PMDF was a pseudo open source rewrite of MMDF (from on the mid western
> universities I believe), that got taken closed and I never knew all of
> the politics. Larry M correct me here, he might know some of it, as I'm
> thinking PMDF came out of Wisconsin originally. Whoever wrote it, took
> the CS-Net C MMDF implementation and rewrote it into Pascal for VMS -
> this was during the height the C vs Pascal war in CS Depts and also the
> time of the UNIX vs VMS wars. The DEC Pascal Compiler was very good
> and was an excellent teaching compiler. Paul W might remember the
> ordering of the releases from the compiler group, but I think VMS Pascal
> was released before VAX-11C -- which I think played into the MMDF/PMDF
> thing. As I recall, VMS Pascal definitely was bundled in the
> University package and was 'cheaper' if you were willing to run VMS
> instead of Unix at your University. Anyway, the folks that did
> PMDF formed a small firm and sold it for a while. There was a
> commercial IP implementation from France call TUV for VMS and IIRC, the
> TUV folks bought PMDF and whole thing got sold to a lot people and had
> quite a ride .
Interesting.
> I know nothing about that. I wonder of the Pascal version got
> reimplemented in Java at some point. I do not know. That would not
> surprise me.
"In 1999 PMDF was translated from Pascal to C. The C version of PMDF
became the basis of the Sun Java System Messaging Server of Sun
Microsystems"
I wouldn't bet that (the C version of) PMDF was reimplemented in Java
just because the name contained Java. I seem to recall Sun putting Java
in the name of many products at the time.
> That would sound more like it. Also left and right hands not talking
> to each other. Sun had become a large place by that point.
ACK
> Sure, but its more work than I want to mess with these days. Best
> wishes and have at it 😘
Fair enough.
Thank you for the history on MMDF / PMDF. #larningIsFun
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-06-25 20:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-25 16:10 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-25 17:37 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 19:35 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 20:09 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 20:47 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS [this message]
2018-06-25 21:15 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-26 7:01 ` arnold
2018-06-26 8:57 ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-26 11:29 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-26 13:09 ` Tony Finch
2018-06-26 18:04 ` Warner Losh
2018-06-26 21:16 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-27 21:33 ` Michael Parson
2018-06-27 22:27 ` Clem cole
2018-06-28 5:57 ` arnold
2018-06-28 18:36 ` Michael Parson
2018-06-26 15:57 ` Michael Kjörling
2018-06-26 21:09 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-26 21:18 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-26 23:45 ` George Michaelson
2018-06-25 20:15 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-06-26 8:27 ` Tony Finch
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-06-25 14:44 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-25 15:44 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 16:03 ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-25 17:22 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-24 13:14 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-25 1:38 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-25 1:46 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 16:44 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 12:45 ` Tony Finch
2018-06-25 16:41 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-24 3:08 Norman Wilson
2018-06-22 22:23 Doug McIlroy
2018-06-22 23:20 ` John P. Linderman
2018-06-23 0:22 ` Warren Toomey
2018-06-22 2:21 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-21 22:44 [TUHS] core Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-21 23:07 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-21 23:47 ` [TUHS] off-topic list Warren Toomey
2018-06-22 1:11 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-22 3:53 ` Robert Brockway
2018-06-22 4:18 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-22 11:44 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-06-22 14:28 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-22 14:46 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-22 14:54 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-22 15:17 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-22 17:27 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-22 19:25 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-22 21:04 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-23 14:49 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-23 15:25 ` Toby Thain
2018-06-23 18:49 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-23 21:05 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2018-06-23 21:21 ` Michael Parson
2018-06-23 23:31 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-23 23:36 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-23 23:37 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-24 0:20 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 2:53 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-25 5:40 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 6:15 ` arnold
2018-06-25 7:27 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-25 12:52 ` Michael Parson
2018-06-25 13:41 ` arnold
2018-06-25 13:56 ` arnold
2018-06-25 13:59 ` Adam Sampson
2018-06-25 15:05 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-26 9:05 ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-23 22:38 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-24 0:18 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-24 10:04 ` Michael Kjörling
2018-06-25 16:10 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 18:48 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 14:18 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 15:51 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 18:21 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-26 20:38 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-22 16:07 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-22 16:36 ` Steve Johnson
2018-06-22 20:55 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-22 14:52 ` Ralph Corderoy
2018-06-22 15:13 ` SPC
2018-06-22 16:45 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-22 15:28 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-22 17:17 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-22 18:00 ` Dan Cross
2018-06-22 17:29 ` Cág
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