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[72.197.247.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d22sm4889169pgh.64.2020.05.28.09.08.23 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 May 2020 09:08:24 -0700 (PDT) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <1jeHk5-5LM-00@marmaro.de> From: Mary Ann Horton Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 09:08:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3FC5C92240DBCBB5FF295C6A" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] fmt(1): history, POSIX, -t, -c X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3FC5C92240DBCBB5FF295C6A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's nice to see a uuencode email attachment once again! Clem (who, by the way, is correct about the origin of fmt, it was part of Kurt Shoens' Mail program at Berkeley) has perfect timing. This coming Monday, 6/1/2020, is the 40th anniversary of the uuencode email attachment. (The date is based on the date in the uuencode man page in the 2.8BSD and 4.2BSD archives at https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/UCB/ ) There has been some amusing coverage of the "25th anniversary of the email attachment", commemorating Nat Borenstien's creation of MIME in 1992. Any thoughts on a proper commemoration of the 40th anniversary?     Mary Ann On 5/28/20 6:47 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > Ouch sorry for the extra stuff -- cut/paste error which I did not > realize until after delivery. > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 9:30 AM Clem Cole > wrote: > > fmt was originally written by Kurt Shoens at UCB when he worked in > Mail and delivermail. > > begin 644 fmt.tar.bz2 > M0EIH.3%!62936:*IABH`#=1_U/TP`8!_____________W_]2B`0```(""&`: > M7W@`/ MU3"400"&1D)IM$-)^J;1)MHFFIYJ)HVICTI^D3U!H-`>IIH`&@T!-$9$R:3U > M%/4VH>4;4](PT0-&)H`-```````U,DRIZ!#U!M1D>B-#$;2&F(9-```80#0` > M:,)H"32B0*;*:GD$G@*'Z*>F3(U#U-J;1#TAZAH#)Z@T!ZFC1Z@`<```T#0T > M-#3(`-``!H!H:``!D``"1$$"`$9"&(TDS30IZ,4;4;4Q,&H,@8F@-&F@&RGY > M1?G$_-^6''G7ZU]8;A,V`VT\0%_TFD"/3Y8^MQV#;T(R3^!&;`F`*((#98)( > M4KO"=V(3&($G$>RP@@PD*Q6("451L[MJL5D1"**K$6`J,(@Q8B"+$8K$4!@_ > M;M`VE:!8)HAN9R\O#WWVMVS1SG`9$5`Q2B`H+[:-E4,%OIM%%1C$0,,* > M6F%<6T%F^RQQ2L8`Q-::(N!!!6T"BD8CNGT_9]7/./^RH,2SP9SG(VU<+B7# > M?263G$UI\F_!TUCIMVWANX6XIF7'BKBXI0U8R9IEQ3"N"AC%5+FRI%/4_LWP > MXOW?SWG!=9P3@;Z5LX-=^<#>!7#BPMQIBY-$#&:#%'%JDT M[F,F%9.6G83D^ONXSI_+>,Z+>1T'?DV,\WP7]:WQ$PF`9A(%,A3ZC`X2"%9$ > M5IK!-,8M!GW6PV3(L-F(SBX+8/7.OF4V5#[,^4XWG:,RYYR[?IWY_E;ER1>R > M#!5&N&I^VQ];,DF+YW8[(FI!$L@MYSH&)9=9VF6UT63U636+:N8T`Y-73*TP > MP@C@SDC"9>0+W2CJ)"@\QC3$AQT@1%`PH,FZHPZ06];I M)XV2>24(Q/-Z^IYVW0DGN<_M*JJHZ@G=8<_O@[*%XSQ(=O9>A=OM;&,KQ6IJ > M^QOF-Y;'43G4P0>@JHBH)V:"111K!A.H?C-OO>SVGNGHP,5V/(8Q]BTH$TB! > MTTE2T1>%8<,U\7=AV52;$@45%%@H*J,!05$`6"Q$;.2@>PP9GG'%2VG4[.)5 > M(9`&AXFL6:G,A4/A&HK2.WSY;)S\WR#V;0HR6N@=(9BHWDFY4C3&(M3-'#:& > MO"&JNK=E/7;ZMZB0)!\.7,6M?TP_4I^9K'8A`W,=)FN\='S*#12(H<#B-H9+ > M8&H(5LZ(SR[#.VQF!I@93@^S,5Y%F]DD9Y&,FIA"FZL;":\Y%M130CGDC8VP > M\YH,^@[ISG@("NOQ`QEPJX!SN']SEH5]HS)',=L+8I`T+8HXVTL>D]QB;HK( > MR[,:#&D M4IYS$^`*)'RC*[KW-U7M-Q[++R9F#\##H'`J MR`4??57@K"&8.*I>-.0[FE,,Q=+87`Z&O7>#9YR%8L M<.) 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Now someone asked me > about > `-t' and `-c' of *GNU* fmt(1). I wasn't able to find good > documentation > on them. The manpage only tells that they have to do with > different > indentation for the first or first two lines. But what are the use > cases? How would source text for these parameters look like? > > A look into the description and rationale sections of POSIX, which > often provides helpful information, was not possible because > fmt(1) > is not part of POSIX (only fold(1) is). Why's that? Is it because > fmt(1) differs so much between Unix implementations? On BSD `-c' > centers text and `-t' sets tab widths. Plan 9 has none of these > options. But still, `-w' could have been standardized. Or was the > line filling algorithm different as well? How does fold(1) fit > into > the picture? > > Maybe you can answer some of these questions or give hints on > where > I could find answers myself. > > > meillo > --------------3FC5C92240DBCBB5FF295C6A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

It's nice to see a uuencode email attachment once again!

Clem (who, by the way, is correct about the origin of fmt, it was part of Kurt Shoens' Mail program at Berkeley) has perfect timing. This coming Monday, 6/1/2020, is the 40th anniversary of the uuencode email attachment. (The date is based on the date in the uuencode man page in the 2.8BSD and 4.2BSD archives at https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/UCB/ )

There has been some amusing coverage of the "25th anniversary of the email attachment", commemorating Nat Borenstien's creation of MIME in 1992.

Any thoughts on a proper commemoration of the 40th anniversary?

    Mary Ann

On 5/28/20 6:47 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
Ouch sorry for the extra stuff -- cut/paste error which I did not realize until after delivery.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 9:30 AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
fmt was originally written by Kurt Shoens at UCB when he worked in Mail and delivermail.   

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On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 8:41 AM markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de> wrote:
Hoi,

personally I use fmt(1) a lot for email formatting and such.
Typically I only use the `-w' parameter. Now someone asked me about
`-t' and `-c' of *GNU* fmt(1). I wasn't able to find good documentation
on them. The manpage only tells that they have to do with different
indentation for the first or first two lines. But what are the use
cases? How would source text for these parameters look like?

A look into the description and rationale sections of POSIX, which
often provides helpful information, was not possible because fmt(1)
is not part of POSIX (only fold(1) is). Why's that? Is it because
fmt(1) differs so much between Unix implementations? On BSD `-c'
centers text and `-t' sets tab widths. Plan 9 has none of these
options. But still, `-w' could have been standardized. Or was the
line filling algorithm different as well? How does fold(1) fit into
the picture?

Maybe you can answer some of these questions or give hints on where
I could find answers myself.


meillo
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