From: Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net>
To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code?
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 19:56:46 -0700 [thread overview]
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It must have been PC/IX, that rings a bell. I also had Xenix in the same
time frame, it was different (and I preferred Xenix).
Thanks!
Mary Ann
On 5/10/22 09:08, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022, 9:32 AM Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net> wrote:
>
> I recall having an IBM PC port of UNIX in the 1980s on floppy with
> a black 6x9 box and Charlie Chaplin with the red rose. I thought
> it was called AIX. I installed it, and recall it being very
> different from UNIX for sysadmin (different logs, different admin
> commands) but similar for users. I thought it was based on System
> III or thereabouts.
>
> I can't find any evidence of this. It appears AIX 1.0 wasn't for
> the original PC.
>
> Does anyone else recall this distribution and what it was called
> or based on?
>
>
> The first 8086 port was inside of Bell Labs, but was for a system with
> a custom MMU. The first commercial one was Venix released in 1983
> based on Version 7 with some Berkeley improvements using the MIT
> compilers of the time, but it had a blue label with a boring stylized
> V on it. IBM released PC/IX a year later (1984) and marketed heavily.
> It was a companion to its other unix offerings, and wasn't AIX. That
> port was based on System III. If anything had the clever Charlie
> Chaplin marketing materials, it was sure to be PC/IX. Microsoft's
> Xenix was also in this time frame, but wasn't marketed by IBM (and its
> earliest version in 1982 predate Venix, but were only for Intel's
> System 86 machines, and may have required an Intel MMU board (the
> quick research I did was unclear on this point, other than it was
> supported). SCO/Microsoft released in late 1983 and early 1984
> versions for the commercially available PC and other variants at the
> time before the IBM-PC became the standardized x86 platform.
>
> So my money is on PC/IX.
>
> Warner
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary Ann
>
> On 5/1/22 19:08, Kenneth Goodwin wrote:
>> My understanding of AIX was that IBM licensed the System V source
>> code and then proceeded to "make it their own". I had a days
>> experience with it on a POS cash register fixing a client issue.
>> The shocker - they changed all the error messages to error codes
>> with a look at the manual requirement.
>>
>> Not sure if this is true in its entirety or not.
>> But that's what I recall, thst it was not a from scratch rewrite
>> but more along the lines of other vendor UNIX clones of the time.
>> License the source, change the name and then beat it to death.
>>
>> On Sun, May 1, 2022, 2:08 PM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> in terms of rewrites from manuals, while it was not the
>> first, as I
>> understand it, AIX was an example of "read the manual, write the
>> code."
>>
>> Unlike Coherent, it had lots of cases of things not done
>> quite right.
>> One standout in my mind was mkdir -p, which would return an
>> error if
>> the full path existed. oops.
>>
>> But it was pointed out to me that Condor had all kinds of code to
>> handle AIX being different from just about everything else.
>>
>>
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2022-05-01 9:30 Andrew Warkentin
2022-05-01 11:43 ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-01 11:56 ` Rob Pike
2022-05-01 14:03 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-03 4:37 ` Jim Carpenter
2022-05-01 14:09 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-01 18:08 ` ron minnich
2022-05-01 18:22 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-01 19:49 ` Dan Stromberg
2022-05-01 20:37 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-02 2:08 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-02 9:21 ` Dr Iain Maoileoin
2022-05-02 20:19 ` Rich Morin
2022-05-02 21:30 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 21:36 ` Dan Cross
2022-05-10 15:28 ` Mary Ann Horton
2022-05-10 16:08 ` Warner Losh
2022-05-10 16:40 ` Heinz Lycklama
2022-05-10 16:42 ` James Frew
2022-05-14 2:56 ` Mary Ann Horton [this message]
2022-05-10 16:59 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-10 17:18 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-10 18:05 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-10 19:27 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2022-05-10 19:08 ` Henry Bent
2022-05-10 19:33 ` Richard Salz
2022-05-10 20:18 ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-11 16:20 ` James Frew
2022-05-11 16:51 ` Paul Winalski
2022-05-10 20:28 ` Henry Bent
2022-05-10 20:43 ` Warner Losh
2022-05-10 20:46 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-11 16:44 ` Paul Winalski
2022-05-11 17:09 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-11 17:35 ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-12 0:16 ` George Michaelson
2022-05-13 2:46 ` Adam Thornton
2022-05-15 0:48 ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-15 5:36 ` Adam Thornton
2022-05-15 13:37 ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-12 5:22 ` Warner Losh
2022-05-12 12:06 ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-12 12:43 ` John Cowan
2022-05-15 2:00 ` Stuart Remphrey
2022-05-02 2:42 ` Phil Budne
2022-05-02 6:46 ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-02 13:50 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 14:46 ` tytso
2022-05-02 15:38 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 20:31 ` Warner Losh
2022-05-03 5:01 ` tytso
2022-05-03 11:35 ` Richard Salz
2022-05-02 23:30 ` Gregg Levine
[not found] ` <CAK7dMtD08weh+97mx+ncrq0cxprKgke42C0vFYNPnBkd8Fx9Sg@mail.gmail.com>
2022-05-03 7:28 ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-02 12:59 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-02 14:13 ` Richard Salz
2022-05-02 13:14 ` tytso
2022-05-02 13:32 ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-02 13:16 ` Dan Cross
2022-05-02 14:14 ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-02 14:50 ` ron minnich
2022-05-02 16:13 ` Al Kossow
2022-05-02 18:46 ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-02 19:54 ` Chet Ramey
2022-05-02 21:17 ` Dan Cross
2022-05-02 23:49 ` George Michaelson
2022-05-03 7:22 ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-03 7:40 ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-03 8:03 ` Ron Natalie
[not found] ` <CAEoi9W4eD8AF=FwjMT-KPRfyYgD+qgVvE1u3sBwiovm4=1WWLg@mail.g mail.com>
2022-05-03 12:14 ` John Foust via TUHS
2022-05-01 20:55 ` Michael Huff
2022-05-03 4:55 ` Jim Carpenter
2022-05-02 15:43 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 16:16 ` Bakul Shah
2022-05-02 16:19 ` Bakul Shah
2022-05-02 17:14 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 16:29 ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-02 17:42 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 17:59 ` Bakul Shah
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