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From: Heinz Lycklama <heinz@osta.com>
To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 09:39:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fb44023a-ae90-b85d-b39c-b2185c4aa366@osta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2OyBP9ThQ4mY4ACLsvFapCX912k=e1VSMgX3AocqDY+OA@mail.gmail.com>

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The first version of AIX for the IBM RT PC was developed by INTERACTIVE 
Systems Corp.
under contract to IBM. The second version of AIX was developed by Locus 
Computing.
Some brief history can be found here:
     1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Systems_Corporation
     2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX#IBM_RT_PC

Heinz


On 4/2/2021 9:03 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 11:54 PM Wesley Parish <wobblygong@gmail.com 
> <mailto:wobblygong@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>      I don't think anybody was even thinking of porting any of
>     the *BSD to IBM mainframes till much later, am I right?
>
> No.   BSD was very much on IBM's radar in the late 1970s and 1980s.
>
> Long before Linus released Linux into the wild in 1990 for the >>386<< 
> much less any other ISA, IBM had been shipping as a product AIX/370 
> (and AIX/PS2 for the 386); which we developed at Locus for them.  The 
> user-space was mostly System V, the kernel was based on BSD (4.1 
> originally) pluis a great deal of customization, including of course 
> the Locus OS work, which IBM called TCF - the transparent computing 
> facility.  It was very cool you could cluster 370s and PS/2 and from 
> >>any<< node run a program of either ISA.   It has been well discussed 
> in this forum, previously.
>
> A for AIX/370 a quick history which Charlie can fill in more from the 
> IBM side, was that in the last 60s and early 70s, IBM had a strange 
> hold on the education/research market with the S/360; but lost it 
> because of the lack of timesharing to DEC and PDP-10 based systems as 
> IBM was more and more focused on the commercial sector where there was 
> much more money to be made.   But ... there was a drive in the IBM 
> educational/research team to be able to reenter that market and Locus 
> was hired to develop AIX/370 (and later PS2) as it was felt that UNIX 
> was considered an important offering for those customers.  After it 
> was released as a product, it turned out purchasing AIX/370 was 
> exceedingly difficult (for a number of reasons), although it was 
> extremely well received by those that ran it, but getting it was 
> difficult.  In fact, I have been told by folks that there at the time, 
> that using TCF was an important feature here at Intel for the success 
> of the simulation for the 486 and Pentium.
>
> Again, Charlie can tell you the history but IBM also developed AIX for 
> the RS/6000 which was the same OS (only different) from IBM Austin(no 
> TCF, but supported DS which was cool in its own right). Locus was 
> actually contracted to develop a UNIX subsystem for the AS/400 also, 
> but I'm not sure if that ever shipped.  I had left Locus and hadgoneto 
> DEC by then.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-04-02 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-01 14:50 Josh Good
2021-04-01 15:12 ` Warner Losh
2021-04-01 15:27   ` Josh Good
2021-04-01 15:33     ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-01 16:14       ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-01 16:26         ` John Cowan
2021-04-01 17:54       ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-04-01 16:27     ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-04-02  2:16     ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-02  3:52   ` Wesley Parish
2021-04-02  5:26     ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-02 16:03     ` Clem Cole
2021-04-02 16:11       ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-02 16:39       ` Heinz Lycklama [this message]
2021-04-02 17:14         ` Clem Cole
2021-04-02 17:17       ` [TUHS] AIX repeat [was " Charles H Sauer
2021-04-03  1:24       ` [TUHS] " Wesley Parish
2021-04-04  2:46     ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-04  2:50       ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-04  5:29         ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) G. Branden Robinson
2021-04-04 18:22           ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 20:54             ` Richard Salz
2021-04-04 21:11             ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05  0:36             ` John Cowan
2021-04-05  2:19               ` Warner Losh
2021-04-05 18:07                 ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference John Gilmore
2021-04-05 19:30                   ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05 20:34                     ` Richard Salz
2021-04-05 20:42                       ` William Cheswick
2021-04-06  4:37                       ` Ed Bradford
2021-04-05 20:39                     ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-05 21:11                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-05 21:17                         ` Dan Cross
2021-04-06 15:39                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-06  5:49                   ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-05  7:48               ` [TUHS] Whither Usenix [was How To Kill A Technical Conference] arnold
2021-04-05 14:05             ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-05 22:26               ` David Arnold
2021-04-04 23:30           ` A. P. Garcia
2021-04-04  3:41       ` [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM Gregg Levine
2021-04-04  3:57         ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-02  5:41 ` David Arnold
2021-04-02  6:09   ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02  7:00     ` arnold
2021-04-02  9:53       ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02 10:26         ` arnold
2021-04-02 14:02           ` Josh Good
2021-04-02 14:17             ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02 15:16               ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-02 15:28                 ` Fabio Scotoni
2021-04-03  1:50                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-03  1:55                   ` Warner Losh
2021-04-03  2:23                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-03  2:34                     ` Earl Baugh
2021-04-03  6:16                   ` Dan Stromberg
2021-04-04 16:18                     ` Tony Finch
2021-04-04  1:48                   ` David Arnold
2021-04-04  2:23                     ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-04  8:55                       ` Josh Good
2021-04-04 14:43                         ` Michael Parson
2021-04-04 15:36                         ` Warner Losh
2021-04-04 16:15                           ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 22:25                             ` David Arnold
2021-04-04 22:55                               ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05  2:30                                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-04 23:00                               ` Bakul Shah
2021-04-04 23:33                                 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05  1:34                                   ` Bakul Shah
2021-04-05  2:58                                     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2021-04-05 12:35                                       ` John Cowan
2021-04-05 20:44                                   ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-04 23:34                               ` Josh Good
2021-04-04 20:08                         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2021-04-04 21:00                           ` Jon Steinhart
2021-04-04 21:40                             ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 21:54                               ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2021-04-04 22:02                                 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-04-04 21:58                               ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 23:48                             ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-04 23:53                               ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-07  5:15                             ` Dan Stromberg
2021-04-05 13:37                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-07  1:52                         ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-02 15:25               ` Josh Good
2021-04-03  3:10               ` John Cowan
2021-04-02 16:40 ` Boyd Lynn Gerber

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