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[98.18.6.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5614622812f47-3d1fe821ac9sm716573b6e.18.2024.06.05.10.51.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Jun 2024 10:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:51:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: segaloco , Andrew Lynch References: <1324869037.1755756.1717582639424.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1324869037.1755756.1717582639424@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Will Senn In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID-Hash: WVODUWP6ZLNCWGXOAYZIJKXUJ5FSSQHS X-Message-ID-Hash: WVODUWP6ZLNCWGXOAYZIJKXUJ5FSSQHS X-MailFrom: will.senn@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS Main List X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: most direct Unix descendant List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 6/5/24 12:34 PM, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > On Wednesday, June 5th, 2024 at 3:17 AM, Andrew Lynch via TUHS wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Out of curiosity, what would be considered the most direct descendent of Unix available today? >> >> ... >> >> Thanks, Andrew Lynch > snip > Given this, my humble opinion (which again this sort of thing I believe is largely a philosophical matter of opinion...) is that the BSD line captures the spirit of Research UNIX much more than System V does, while System V retains much more of the source code lineage of what most folks would consider a "pure" UNIX. Of course all of this too is predicated on treating V7 (really 32V...) as that central point of divergence. When I saw this thread appear, I was of two minds about it, but this lines up with where my thoughts were headed. I've done a lot of delving into the v6/v7 environments over the last 10 years or so and it feels much closer in kinship to BSD derivatives than to SysV... source code lineages aside. Also, I get more mileage out of my BSD books and docs than those treating SysV. I'd vote for *BSD as sticking closest to the unix way, if there is still such a thing... I say this as I just typed 'kldload linux64' into freebsd's terminal so I could run sublime alongside nvi... sometimes I wish I was a purist, but I'm way too fond of experimentation :). Will