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Tanenbaum for MINIX) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco On Wednesday, June 19th, 2024 at 12:10 PM, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > On Wednesday, June 19th, 2024 at 9:00 AM, Al Kossow aek@bitsavers.org wro= te: >=20 > > On 6/19/24 8:47 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > >=20 > > > That's how I remember Otis Wilson explaining it to us as commercial l= icensees at a licensing meeting in the early 1980s. > > > We had finally completed the PWB 3.0 license to replace the V7 commer= cial license (AT&T would rename this System III - but we knew it as PWB > > > 3.) during the negociations Summit had already moved on to the next v= ersion - PWB 4.0. IMO: Otis was not ready to start that process again. > >=20 > > Is the really early history of Unix licensing documented anywhere? > > The work on reviving a Plexus P20 prompted me to put up the history of = Onyx and Plexus at > > http://bitsavers.org/pdf/plexus/history and a long time ago someone who= worked at Fortune > > told me we can all thank Onyx in 1980 for working out the single machin= e licensing with > > AT&T >=20 >=20 > I've got a stack of license specimens as well as a bit of correspondence = between > MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Raytheon, and Western Electric discussing UNIX li= censes > for single CPUs. The correspondence (circa 1980) concerns V7 licenses for= a > PDP-11/44 (MIT LL) and PDP-11/45 (Raytheon). The license specimens are in= two > groups, one set that has blanks and/or generic language describing > "Licensed Software" and a second set specifically issued for UNIX System = III. >=20 > The licenses have document codes: >=20 > - Software-Corp.-020173-020182-2 - Software Agreement between AT&T and >=20 > - Software-Customer CPU-052776-090180-2 - Customer CPU Agreement between = and >=20 > - Supp. Ag.-Time Sharing-020178-010180-2 - Supplemental Agreement (Time S= haring) between Western Electric Company, Incorporated and >=20 > - Supp. Ag.-Customer CPU-020178-010180-2 - Supplemental Agreement (Custom= er CPU) between Western Electric Company, Incorporated and >=20 > - Supp. Ag.-Cust. Spec.-020181-2 - Supplemental Agreement (Customer Softw= are, Specified Number of Users) between Western Electric Company, Incorpora= ted and >=20 > - Cont. CPU-060181-1 - Contractor CPU Agreement between and >=20 > - Sys. III-Corp.-110181-040182-2 - Software Agreement between AT&T and for UNIX System III >=20 > - Sys. III-Cust.-010182-041582-2 - Supplemental Agreement (Customer Provi= sions) between AT&T and for UNIX System III >=20 >=20 > Would scans of these documents help? The licenses at least should be fine= as they're specimen copies with no PII. Regarding the correspondence, ther= e is one letter on DARPA letterhead (from MIT LL to WECo), two on WECo lett= erhead (one back to MIT LL, the other to Raytheon) and then one on AT&T let= terhead responding generically to an uinquiry regarding UNIX System III lic= ensing. Does anyone foresee issues with scanning the correspondence, or is = that the sort of thing that might get me shipped off to some black site? >=20 > - Matt G. And now these are up here: https://archive.org/details/att_unix_licenses_19= 82 Included is misc.pdf, which is the couple letters as well as a packing slip= from Bell Laboratories for a shipment of V7. Also a revision to my last l= isting of their document codes, the "-2" on the end is a page number...whoo= ps...the document names in the archive posting reflect the document codes s= ans this oversight. I labeled the posting 1982 as that's the date on the l= atest of the license specimens, the letters were in the same batch of docum= ents but not adjacent. - Matt G.