From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1672 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2022 19:08:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Aug 2022 19:08:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B0D406DE; Tue, 9 Aug 2022 05:08:39 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1659985719; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=AilM/05IuSt+3YNY9hAKLDyCvqFCZMDUTZoDseSfDN0=; b=SDT+pcVW5qIFarwJSw2xEEdXIFtrbnG3n8hlJxSyvDFUeRSxU3DKkR+zqrG9oI3+2uP1SD NAYBHvEw9msWKRgXgNTd7Y+iDqYsqXevKct/sR9tj2DbvSO4HDV0ahLdF6XLUQJ30zz6xj ZGa87nfn0/bWRnWkyVoMTqWdkLSWQHw= Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1000640154 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2022 05:08:24 +1000 (AEST) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 19:08:11 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1659985701; x=1660244901; bh=AilM/05IuSt+3YNY9hAKLDyCvqFCZMDUTZoDseSfDN0=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc: Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=lPgDpnJkKz+UCG3DOmWg3Ce9vmDGwBJATz19pZsFwE3nac1ZzZ29LeTVRYkDB4ulg bteQ1eiLSnvdDUWVgYgvM6gs+NXI/YRqi2pfoIkYxDfTGKahlukuMq5H/cYjod5oyI Q5+HN7BBrXQh04aTIkN0l7sE0vr61IMosRPQZ7xykaxCJmJyINveDSn13jbC8O+wFM wblKgBkJm7jTjeJf1gRQ+JsMjl/ELKep2jeweye5oXSA/douWhHakzAQ8BKxDzl6VL abZMrK6P0nkA+ssNMO9QFD1tSzxj1Jqzn++JcP99xg+hPV6zvbrUF4DbFqn7gMhM0J tUKxxXg9PF+hw== To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: LHWWXXNC5ABB7U4SDFV2JT3TGTUKJCTE X-Message-ID-Hash: LHWWXXNC5ABB7U4SDFV2JT3TGTUKJCTE X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Likelihood of Extant Less-Distributed Tapes and Sources List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco Good morning everyone. Wanted to pose the question since folks here would = probably be more likely to know than anyone. What are the chances that there are surviving tapes of some of the UNIX ver= sions that weren't so well publicized. The versions that come to mind are = the CB and USG lines especially, with PWB 2.0 and TS 4.0 getting honorable = mention. If folks will recall, we did luck out in that Arnold, a member of= this mailing list, did have a documentation trove from TS 4.0, but no bina= ry or source code assets. This had me curious on what trying to unearth th= ese would even look like. Has anyone tried to dive deep on this sort of stuff before? Would it look = more like trying to find old Bell facilities that might have a tape bumping= around in a box in a basement somewhere, or is it more likely that if anyt= hing survived it would have been due to being nabbed by an employee or cont= ractor before disposal? Or even just in general, what would folks say is t= he likelihood that there is a recoverable tape of any of this material just= waiting to see the light of day? The closest we have on CB is a paper sca= n of the kernel sources, and I don't know that any assets from USG-proper h= ave ever percolated up, closest thing to any of that would be the kernel ro= utine description bumping around on the archive somewhere. PWB 2.0 is ment= ioned in several places, but no empirical evidence has surfaced as far as I= know, and with 4.0 of course we have the documents Arnold thankfully prese= rved, but that's it. Thanks in advance for any insight or thoughts. My concern is that there is= a rapidly closing window on ever being able to properly preserve these par= ts of the UNIX story, although recognition must be paid to all of the hard = work folks have done here thus far to keep this valuable part of computing = history in the collective consciousness and accessible to researchers and p= rogrammers for years and years to come. - Matt G. P.S. Even more honorable mention is the Bell Interdata 8/32 work. I've rea= d several places that never saw outside distribution, but I would have to w= onder if any of that work survived beyond the visible portability changes i= n V7.