From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 04702c0d for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 23:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E8CC59C142; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 09:05:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6A09C0FD; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 09:04:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 287E19C0FD; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 09:04:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from central.weird.com (unknown [198.96.117.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D632F9BFE6 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 09:04:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from (invalid client hostname: bind: DNS error: DNS lookup for A for 'more.local': Unknown host)more.local ((no PTR matching greeting name)S01060026bb6c284e.ok.shawcable.net[24.71.254.93] port=33449) by central.weird.com([198.96.117.51] port=587) via TCP with esmtp (5791 bytes) (sender: ) (ident using UNIX) id for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 18:04:35 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #77 built 2019-Dec-29) Received: from (invalid client hostname: the DNS A record (with the targegt address [10.0.1.129]) for the hostname 'more.local' does not match the expected address [10.0.1.129])more.local ((no PTR matching greeting name)future.local[10.0.1.133] port=59669) by more.local([10.0.1.129] port=25) via TCP with esmtp (5281 bytes) (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 15:04:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #1 built 2015-Feb-17) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 15:04:33 -0800 From: "Greg A. Woods" To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list In-Reply-To: <20200120190900.GH15860@mit.edu> References: <20200117195908.GF15253@ancienthardware.org> <20200118035051.GC481935@mit.edu> <20200118041913.GB67053@eureka.lemis.com> <20200119024900.GA15860@mit.edu> <20200119031225.GI67053@eureka.lemis.com> <20200119035808.GK67053@eureka.lemis.com> <20200119132551.GC15860@mit.edu> <20200120190900.GH15860@mit.edu> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64--netbsd) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Face: ; j3Eth2XV8h1Yfu*uL{<:dQ$#E[DB0gemGZJ"J#4fH*][ lz; @-iwMv_u\6uIEKR0KY"=MzoQH#CrqBN`nG_5B@rrM8,f~Gr&h5a\= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --pgp-sign-Multipart_Mon_Jan_20_15:04:14_2020-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII At Mon, 20 Jan 2020 14:09:00 -0500, "Theodore Y. Ts'o" wrote: Subject: Re: [TUHS] Early Linux and BSD (was: On the origins of Linux - "an academic question") > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 07:32:57PM -0800, Greg A. Woods wrote: > > > Out of curiosity, did the articles contain download information for a > > > bootable copy of 386BSD? > > > > Yes, they did: > > > > https://www.drdobbs.com/porting-unix-to-the-386-the-final-step/184408800 > > .... which is dated July 1992, and describes a "launch" of 386BSD > Release 0.0 in March 17, 1992. This is contemporaneous with Linux > 0.95a (which by coincidence was also released on March 17th, 1992.) Yes, though as I recall all of the articles mentioned that the OS could be downloaded, but I pointed at that final article as it was the first one in which I found explicit mention of the FTP server name(s). > The first "real" distribution, the Soft Landing System, was released > in May 1992. (The Manchester Computer Centre distribution in November > 1991 was a floppy-based distro containing command-line and development > utilities, but not X Windows, so some people don't feel it counts as a > full-featured distribution.) The actual 386bsd Release 0.0 (the one done directly by Bill and Lynne Jolitz) announcement is dated "March 7, 1992" according to the first post about it on comp.unix.bsd (and according to that announcement there was a meeting at Apple in Cupertino (SVNet) on the 11'th where copies of the floppies were made available for copying (comp.unix.bsd: <2763@tardis.Tymnet.COM>). Note that according to an article from Unigram ("Issue 396", dated August 3-7, 1992, (p)re-posted by Tom Limoncelli in comp.unix.bsd) this "386bsd 0.0" was actually a re-write of earlier work to create a "386" based release of BSD. Apparently UCB lawyers asked Jolitz to destroy all the initial work done for the release, and he complied and rewrote what became 0.0 from scratch again, starting with the plain NET2 release. (comp.unix.bsd: <1992Aug1.020513.14170@plts.uucp>) I would argue that in one way of looking at things NetBSD (and by extension FreeBSD) really started with the 0.0 patch kit, and that's also dated March 15, 1992 by Chris Demetriou. I agree though that the creation of the first commits in the CVS repository represent a more direct reflection of the intent to create a unique thing called NetBSD. (On March 13, 1992 there was a post by Mike Stump on comp.unix.bsd asking for someone to coordinate patches for 386bsd; and Pace Willisson posted the first patch in response on March 14, 1992; and Chris replied on the same day saying he would put such patches up on agate.berkeley.edu; and the "README.PATCHES" file appeared there on March 15, 1992.) -- Greg A. 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