From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9188 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2021 22:36:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Jan 2021 22:36:25 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6BF629B778; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:36:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FB59B727; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:35:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7D8089B727; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:35:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from central.weird.com (unknown [198.96.117.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBBF9B715 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:35:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from (invalid client hostname: bind: DNS error: DNS lookup for A for 'more.local': Unknown host)more.local ((no PTR matching greeting name)d207-6-82-137.bchsia.telus.net[207.6.82.137] port=62217) by central.weird.com([198.96.117.51] port=587) via TCP with esmtp (4756 bytes) (sender: ) (ident using UNIX) id for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:35:51 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #78 built 2020-Mar-25) Received: from (invalid client hostname: the DNS A record (with the targegt address [10.0.1.129]) for the hostname 'more.local' does not match the expected address [10.0.1.129])more.local ((no PTR matching greeting name)xentastic.local[10.0.1.140] port=65052) by more.local([10.0.1.129] port=25) via TCP with esmtp (4250 bytes) (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:35:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #1 built 2015-Feb-17) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:35:50 -0800 From: "Greg A. Woods" To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list In-Reply-To: <64f487fb-6fed-e741-4e7b-daed1f646e37@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> References: <862d8a34-456d-33c1-7ef0-58c6e8089de9@tnetconsulting.net> <202007211822.06LIMBJ4018831@freefriends.org> <20200722011603.GA1536749@mit.edu> <64f487fb-6fed-e741-4e7b-daed1f646e37@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64--netbsd) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Face: ; j3Eth2XV8h1Yfu*uL{<:dQ$#E[DB0gemGZJ"J#4fH*][ lz; @-iwMv_u\6uIEKR0KY"=MzoQH#CrqBN`nG_5B@rrM8,f~Gr&h5a\= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --pgp-sign-Multipart_Wed_Jan_27_14:35:37_2021-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII At Wed, 27 Jan 2021 12:06:26 -0700, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: Subject: Re: [TUHS] /bin vs /sbin > > I've added central... to my hosts file, so hopefully you can email me > directly if you want to. Thanks! (but I still need to pester my service provider for rDNS!) > > On the other hand "SunOS" the name of the base system OS > > (i.e. kernel and userland). > > Please elaborate. Including using the same terms for both names. How > does "userland" compare to "base system" and / or "user interface"? > > I'm also curious what differentiates between SunOS and a minimal > install of Solaris. Sorry, I should have been a tiny bit more specific: the "user interface" here refers to a Graphical UI. Unix of course didn't start out with a GUI of any kind, and workstation vendors like Sun and many others at the time made a big deal out of how they were offering a better user interface for their systems. I separate "kernel" and "userland" (here meaning all the command-line programs, etc.) only because that's become a more common way to define the "base OS" in unixy, i.e. linuxy, circles. This distinction between the traditional Unix layer and the GUI is quite important in the history of SunOS, since there have been a number of different offerings from Sun for their GUI (Sun Windowing System, SunView, NeWS, SunWindows); and also in how Sun promoted their various GUI offerings as the solutions for wider use. Even with the advent of a common choice of The X Window System as the basis for most workstation vendor's GUIs, there were still battles over which toolkit and window manager and "look and feel" would prevail (Athena vs. Motif vs. OpenLook), with Sun even evolving their offerings (SunWindows, OpenLook) over time. -- Greg A. Woods Kelowna, BC +1 250 762-7675 RoboHack Planix, Inc. 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