From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23373 invoked from network); 12 May 2021 19:51:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 May 2021 19:51:00 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CFACB9C7DA; Thu, 13 May 2021 05:50:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A5E9C1E7; Thu, 13 May 2021 05:50:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 57A5B9C1E7; Thu, 13 May 2021 05:50:15 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 423 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Thu, 13 May 2021 05:50:14 AEST Received: from central.weird.com (unknown [198.96.117.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4443C9C1E3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 05:50:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from (invalid client hostname: bind: DNS error: DNS lookup for A for 'more.local': Unknown host)more.local ((no PTR matching greeting name)d207-6-82-137.bchsia.telus.net[207.6.82.137] port=49336) by central.weird.com([198.96.117.51] port=587) via TCP with esmtp (4554 bytes) (sender: ) (ident using UNIX) id for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 15:43:10 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #78 built 2020-Mar-25) Received: from (invalid client hostname: the DNS A record (with the targegt address [10.0.1.129]) for the hostname 'more.local' does not match the expected address [10.0.1.129])more.local ((no PTR matching greeting name)xentastic.local[10.0.1.140] port=65402) by more.local([10.0.1.129] port=25) via TCP with esmtp (4048 bytes) (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 12:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #1 built 2015-Feb-17) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 12:43:09 -0700 From: "Greg A. Woods" To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM-LB/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL-LB/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26.1 (x86_64--netbsd) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Face: ; j3Eth2XV8h1Yfu*uL{<:dQ$#E[DB0gemGZJ"J#4fH*][ lz; @-iwMv_u\6uIEKR0KY"=MzoQH#CrqBN`nG_5B@rrM8,f~Gr&h5a\= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --pgp-sign-Multipart_Wed_May_12_12:42:53_2021-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII At Wed, 12 May 2021 08:58:21 -0400, Dan Cross wrote: Subject: [TUHS] Bill Joy on the "Open Systems Imperative" > > This video got passed around at my (new!) job, and I think it's very > relevant to this list. It's Bill Joy talking about what he and Sun were > thinking about as the future of workstations and computing in general ca > 1987. Some of the predictions were not accurate, but some were. > > I'm curious what others think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Pd6xYaHGU I'm pretty sure Bill Joy gave that same talk as a keynote at the /usr/group/cdn conference and trade show that I think was in the summer of 1987 in Toronto. I can't find a programme for it at the moment (maybe there's one in my old files somewhere, if I didn't recycle all of the old /usr/group/cdn stuff), but my memory of the talk very closely matches what's in the video, and given how little remains of some of those old conferences and trade shows, this is a remarkable video to still have access to. I distinctly remember him comparing the 1-MIP/1-Megabyte/1-megapixel workstation with his predictions and I also distinctly remember his analogy with warp speed in space travel compared to a 100-year @ 1-MIP problem on a VAX vs. waiting 15 years and running it all in 8 hours. At that time I would have been quite happy to have a 1m/1m/1m machine, but just two years later I had a 3B2/500 and a DMD5620. (and the latter alone more or less matched that spec) I was fairly amazed by some of his predictions at the time, particularly on the hardware front, and not all have turned out true of course, but I was also quite hopeful that they would come true. And now I'm currently contemplating buying a new workstation that in many ways exceeds many of the specifications he proposed; and it will be running a derivative of Unix. -- Greg A. Woods Kelowna, BC +1 250 762-7675 RoboHack Planix, Inc. Avoncote Farms --pgp-sign-Multipart_Wed_May_12_12:42:53_2021-1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: OpenPGP Digital Signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQTWEnAIIlcZX4oAawJie18UwlnHhQUCYJwvwgAKCRBie18UwlnH hV3pAJ9a7oAsDT0dw0dL4/iQmh4Vbx+oYgCcD3r6utDtmjpb0Rp+gV6r9ZBL/KY= =YVjb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pgp-sign-Multipart_Wed_May_12_12:42:53_2021-1--