From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023ED29713 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 21:17:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E134326C; Fri, 14 Jun 2024 05:17:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from central.weird.com (virtually.weird.com [198.96.117.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDD642A7F for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2024 05:17:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from (invalid client hostname: bind: DNS error: DNS lookup for A for 'more.local': Unknown host)more.local ((no PTR matching greeting name)d207-6-82-137.bchsia.telus.net[207.6.82.137] port=60743) by central.weird.com([198.96.117.51] port=587) via TCP with esmtp (4391 bytes) (sender: ) (ident using UNIX) id for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 15:17:40 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #1 built 2022-Feb-11) Received: from more.local ([10.0.1.129] port=60744) by more.local([10.0.1.129] port=25) via TCP with esmtp (3915 bytes) (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #1 built 2022-Apr-6) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:29:28 -0700 From: "Greg A. Woods" To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <73819d1a-395a-4b74-a20c-0123fbed56bd@technologists.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM-LB/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL-LB/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26.3 (x86_64--netbsd) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Face: ;j3Eth2XV8h1Yfu*uL{<:dQ$#E[DB0gemGZJ"J#4fH*][ lz;@-iwMv_u\6uIEKR0KY"=MzoQH#CrqBN`nG_5B@rrM8,f~Gr&h5a\= Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --pgp-sign-Multipart_Wed_Jun_12_12:29:18_2024-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:54:51 -0400, Dan Cross wrote: Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy= ' The Register >=20 > I agree about the lack of choice, Personally I don't see any lack of choice. There are more than three good BSD derived systems that together cover almost any imaginable set of requirements. The sheep will follow the herd though..... > this may include automatically restarting dependent services when a > daemon crashes and is restarted. If your daemon's are crashing and in need of restarting so often that a tool is needed to restart them then you have a myriad of other far more pressing problems you should be dealing with first! > being the only thing out there that solves some problem that the > distro maintainers consider important (ie, that they get asked about > frequently). If it were so simple I would expect that claim to be more widely advertised, yet we fall back on "it restarts daemons that crash". Personally I think systemd trying to solve the rather high demands and diverse requirements of mobile laptop systems and is trying to meet or match MS Windows in this regard. (personally I think macos has them both beat by a country mile!) It sure as heck isn't of any use in production server environments! If it were more about servers then it would look more like SMF, or maybe launchd, and it's code wouldn't look like it was written by a grade school student. --=20 Greg A. Woods Kelowna, BC +1 250 762-7675 RoboHack Planix, Inc. Avoncote Farms --pgp-sign-Multipart_Wed_Jun_12_12:29:18_2024-1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: OpenPGP Digital Signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQTWEnAIIlcZX4oAawJie18UwlnHhQUCZmn3EAAKCRBie18UwlnH hWJ2AKDB8lNO0dIzOcos9lm2dXhCNMsyGQCggsFf3U0jpwsBUAnjYtVZGpLFdZI= =gAEY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pgp-sign-Multipart_Wed_Jun_12_12:29:18_2024-1--