From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_24_48, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5D225A90 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2024 22:31:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9883C43672; Sat, 15 Jun 2024 06:31:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from central.weird.com (virtually.weird.com [198.96.117.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED2043659 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2024 06:31:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from (invalid client hostname: bind: DNS error: DNS lookup for A for 'more.local': Unknown host)more.local ((no PTR matching greeting name)d207-6-82-137.bchsia.telus.net[207.6.82.137] port=60558) by central.weird.com([198.96.117.51] port=587) via TCP with esmtp (4298 bytes) (sender: ) (ident using UNIX) id for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2024 16:31:05 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #1 built 2022-Feb-11) Received: from more.local ([10.0.1.129] port=60561) by more.local([10.0.1.129] port=25) via TCP with esmtp (3822 bytes) (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:07:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #1 built 2022-Apr-6) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:07:36 -0700 From: "Greg A. Woods" To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <73819d1a-395a-4b74-a20c-0123fbed56bd@technologists.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM-LB/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL-LB/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26.3 (x86_64--netbsd) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Face: ;j3Eth2XV8h1Yfu*uL{<:dQ$#E[DB0gemGZJ"J#4fH*][ lz;@-iwMv_u\6uIEKR0KY"=MzoQH#CrqBN`nG_5B@rrM8,f~Gr&h5a\= Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --pgp-sign-Multipart_Thu_Jun_13_10:07:27_2024-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At Thu, 13 Jun 2024 16:03:30 -0400, Dan Cross wrote: Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy= ' The Register >=20 > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 3:18 PM Greg A. Woods wrote: > > [snip] > > If it were more about servers then it would look more like SMF, or maybe > > launchd, and it's code wouldn't look like it was written by a grade > > school student. >=20 > Sorry, but this is exactly the sort of overly dismissive attitude that > I was referring to earlier. You undermine your own argument by > mentioning SMF (which can automatically restart services when the > crash), for example. No, that's exactly my point! SMF isn't the anywhere near the nearly-bootable monster systemd seems to be, and it isn't filled with grade-school-level code, and it _is_ written much more in keeping with the Unix tool philosophy. It manages services, it does it in a well defined and predictable way, and it doesn't try to take over the universe. Launchd isn't quite so clean and Unix-like, but it's still a well designed more-or-less single-purpose tool! (Albeit one with a rather wide set of specifications.) Some of Apples other "frameworks" tend to look a bit more like some of systemd, but that's different part of the problem. --=20 Greg A. Woods Kelowna, BC +1 250 762-7675 RoboHack Planix, Inc. Avoncote Farms --pgp-sign-Multipart_Thu_Jun_13_10:07:27_2024-1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: OpenPGP Digital Signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQTWEnAIIlcZX4oAawJie18UwlnHhQUCZmsnUgAKCRBie18UwlnH hRPIAJ9nlJ8ojk8arfJpAsB9QNGv4jozOQCglCAqX2uUZ2BpreVDWthSZO14QRY= =1C8k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pgp-sign-Multipart_Thu_Jun_13_10:07:27_2024-1--