From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9CF23AB6 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 00:44:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55AA43147; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:44:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from central.weird.com (virtually.weird.com [198.96.117.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606DE4312F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:44:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from (invalid client hostname: bind: DNS error: DNS lookup for A for 'more.local': Unknown host)more.local ((no PTR matching greeting name)d207-6-82-137.bchsia.telus.net[207.6.82.137] port=50573) by central.weird.com([198.96.117.51] port=587) via TCP with esmtp (4579 bytes) (sender: ) (ident using UNIX) id for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:44:42 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #1 built 2022-Feb-11) Received: from more.local ([10.0.1.129] port=50574) by more.local([10.0.1.129] port=25) via TCP with esmtp (4103 bytes) (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:44:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.122-Pre 2005-Nov-17 #1 built 2022-Apr-6) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:44:39 -0700 From: "Greg A. Woods" To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <87msnl4ew0.fsf@gmail.com> <87iky84c23.fsf@gmail.com> <20240617012531.GE12821@mcvoy.com> <0e6792ed-65b0-e2e1-8159-6426a7f15a8d@riddermarkfarm.ca> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM-LB/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL-LB/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26.3 (x86_64--netbsd) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Face: ;j3Eth2XV8h1Yfu*uL{<:dQ$#E[DB0gemGZJ"J#4fH*][ lz;@-iwMv_u\6uIEKR0KY"=MzoQH#CrqBN`nG_5B@rrM8,f~Gr&h5a\= Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --pgp-sign-Multipart_Tue_Jun_18_15:44:26_2024-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII At Mon, 17 Jun 2024 17:44:40 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register > > .... There was no upstream > anymore. Csrg was gone, and all successor BSD projects assumed they were > the new upstream. Hmmm.... I never really thought of it that way before! I guess I had hoped everyone would come to realize a new one-size-fits-all upstream would be a "good thing", or perhaps even a necessity, and that none would automatically slip into thinking they were it without first reaching some consensus with other projects -- at least between NetBSD and FreeBSD for starters (and I suppose all hope of this had long evaporated before any of the other off-shoots formed). > The NIH stuff sunk adopting jails, geom, smp, etc from FreeBSD and almost > sunk make from unifying some years ago. Too much ego and wanting perfect > code so all that other code is junk... It's a hard problem because > continuing engineering is actually hard and boring work nobody wants to do > as their fun hobby... not least because it requires a lot of time to keep > up and the skills of a diplomat, which previous few people have.. plus a > perception that mere merging never advances the state of the art... Indeed! -- Greg A. Woods Kelowna, BC +1 250 762-7675 RoboHack Planix, Inc. Avoncote Farms --pgp-sign-Multipart_Tue_Jun_18_15:44:26_2024-1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: OpenPGP Digital Signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQTWEnAIIlcZX4oAawJie18UwlnHhQUCZnINzQAKCRBie18UwlnH hYbbAJ97BvNcbaA5/vmUsbCxqtOWYVpwtQCg4RVpMId4ZFaU8WLOj40Ap5PPMcM= =lajM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pgp-sign-Multipart_Tue_Jun_18_15:44:26_2024-1--