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From: "Greg A. Woods" <woods@robohack.ca>
To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 15:52:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1sK49u-0036s2C@more.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfo75DZBA3NivQiDTTsVDwAVbaW_p=5LQh4p02RN9POJ8Q@mail.gmail.com>

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At Tue, 18 Jun 2024 17:03:07 -0600, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register
> 
> [1  <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 4:50 PM Greg A. Woods <woods@robohack.ca> wrote:
> 
> > At Tue, 18 Jun 2024 04:52:51 +0000, segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org>
> > wrote:
> > Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix
> > philosophy' The Register
> > >
> > > That's not
> > > to diminish the real help of things like autotools and CMake,
> >
> > Oh, that strikes a nerve.
> >
> > CMake is the very antithesis of a good tool.  It doesn't help.  I think
> > it is perhaps the worst abomination EVER in the world of software tools,
> > and especially amongst software construction tools.
> >
> 
> Someone clearly never used imake...

Heh heh!

I've grovelled deeply in the innards of X11's use of imake, but I assert
that it's atrocities pale in comparison to those of cmake.  At least
there were real parsers and proper syntax for imake, and indeed it even
built on and used other existing well known tools!

-- 
					Greg A. Woods <gwoods@acm.org>

Kelowna, BC     +1 250 762-7675           RoboHack <woods@robohack.ca>
Planix, Inc. <woods@planix.com>     Avoncote Farms <woods@avoncote.ca>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-19 22:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 174+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-13 14:56 [TUHS] Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-06-13 15:33 ` [TUHS] " Dan Cross
2024-06-13 15:35 ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Larry McVoy
2024-06-13 15:41   ` Alan D. Salewski
2024-06-13 15:55   ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-13 15:39 ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Clem Cole
2024-06-13 16:47   ` Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS
2024-06-13 18:39     ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-13 18:45       ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Mychaela Falconia
2024-06-14  8:59         ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-13 18:54       ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Dan Cross
2024-06-12 19:29         ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' " Greg A. Woods
2024-06-13 20:03           ` Dan Cross
2024-06-13 17:07             ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-14 14:17             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2024-06-16  5:48               ` Alexis
2024-06-15  8:48                 ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-16 19:44                   ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17  0:10                     ` Peter Yardley
2024-06-17  0:29                       ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17  1:01                   ` Alexis
2024-06-17  1:21                     ` Warner Losh
2024-06-17  1:25                     ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17  1:32                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-17 19:21                       ` Stuff Received
2024-06-17 19:28                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17 22:34                         ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-16  7:57                           ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-17 23:44                             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-18  0:06                               ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-18 22:44                               ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-19  2:33                                 ` David Arnold
2024-06-18  1:52                             ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-18  4:52                               ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-18 22:50                                 ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-18 23:03                                   ` Warner Losh
2024-06-18 23:27                                     ` ron minnich
2024-06-19  1:38                                     ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-06-19  1:42                                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-19 23:28                                         ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-20  5:01                                           ` Scot Jenkins via TUHS
2024-06-20  5:09                                             ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-20  5:18                                               ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-20 18:34                                             ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-20 18:41                                               ` Adam Thornton
2024-06-20 19:59                                                 ` Warner Losh
2024-06-20 20:12                                                   ` ron minnich
2024-06-20 20:22                                                     ` Adam Thornton
2024-06-20 20:29                                                     ` ron minnich
2024-06-21 15:46                                                     ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 16:06                                                       ` Henry Bent
2024-06-21 16:24                                                         ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 16:40                                                           ` Henry Bent
2024-06-21 16:52                                                             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-21 17:25                                                             ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 17:31                                                             ` Phil Budne
2024-06-21 17:55                                                               ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-20 20:19                                                   ` Clem Cole
2024-06-20 20:34                                                   ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-20 21:00                                                     ` ron minnich
2024-06-20 21:53                                                       ` David Arnold
2024-06-20 22:00                                                         ` ron minnich
2024-06-20 22:11                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-20 22:35                                                       ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-21 13:57                                                       ` Stuff Received
2024-06-20 19:57                                               ` [TUHS] Version 256.1: Now slightly less likely to delete /home Jim Capp
2024-06-20  8:05                                           ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register Steve Nickolas
2024-06-19  2:38                                     ` David Arnold
2024-06-19 22:52                                     ` Greg A. Woods [this message]
2024-06-19  0:08                                   ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  0:46                                     ` Nevin Liber
2024-06-19  1:00                                       ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-19  3:07                                       ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  3:14                                         ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  3:36                                           ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  6:50                                           ` arnold
2024-06-19 11:28                                             ` sjenkin
2024-06-19  9:00                                         ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-19 13:28                                       ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-19 14:44                                         ` Warner Losh
2024-06-19 14:53                                           ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-19 15:08                                             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-19 15:11                                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-06-19 15:16                                             ` ron minnich
2024-06-19 15:59                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-19 22:48                                           ` Kevin Bowling
2024-06-20  5:14                                             ` David Arnold
2024-06-20  5:32                                               ` George Michaelson
2024-06-20  6:37                                                 ` Alexis
2024-06-20  7:07                                                   ` David Arnold
2024-06-20 21:07                                                   ` [TUHS] Building programs (Re: " Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-20 23:35                                                     ` [TUHS] " Alexis
2024-06-21  0:05                                                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-21  0:34                                                         ` Alexis
2024-06-21  0:54                                                           ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-21  1:06                                                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-06-21  1:32                                                             ` Alexis
2024-06-21  1:43                                                               ` Warner Losh
2024-06-21 16:07                                                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21  0:35                                                       ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-21  1:15                                                         ` Alexis
2024-06-21  1:43                                                           ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-21 13:58                                                             ` Alan D. Salewski
2024-06-21  0:35                                                       ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-21  0:49                                                         ` Alexis
2024-06-21  1:22                                                           ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-21  1:44                                                             ` Kevin Bowling
2024-06-21 15:57                                                       ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-22  0:04                                                         ` Alexis
2024-06-22 17:53                                                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-22 18:15                                                             ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-22 21:16                                                               ` David Arnold
2024-06-23  0:29                                                                 ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-23 18:50                                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-23 18:56                                                               ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-23 20:15                                                                 ` Stuff Received
2024-06-24 14:03                                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-24 14:33                                                                     ` Dan Cross
2024-06-24 15:17                                                                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-24 15:23                                                                   ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 15:41                               ` [TUHS] " Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 15:38                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-20 20:14                       ` Alexander Schreiber
2024-06-16  6:43                 ` Wesley Parish
2024-06-16 21:56               ` David Arnold
2024-06-16 23:34                 ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-16 23:46                   ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17 21:40                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-17  0:54                 ` Åke Nordin
2024-06-18  5:55                 ` Alexis
2024-06-18  6:39                   ` Michael Kjörling
2024-06-13 19:37       ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Alan D. Salewski
2024-06-13 20:05         ` Clem Cole
2024-06-13 20:31           ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-13 20:06         ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-13 20:26           ` Jim Capp
2024-06-13 21:35           ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Larry McVoy
2024-06-14  0:27         ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Alexis
2024-06-14  0:59           ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Larry McVoy
2024-06-14  1:11             ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-14  1:42             ` Alexis
2024-06-14  4:22               ` ron minnich
2024-06-14  6:54               ` Angel M Alganza
2024-06-14  7:04             ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-14  7:33             ` arnold
2024-06-14  7:34             ` Andy Kosela
2024-06-14  7:44               ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-14 11:31             ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-06-13 20:26     ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Dave Horsfall
2024-06-14 11:32       ` Michael Kjörling
2024-06-14 12:21         ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-18 12:02           ` Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS
2024-06-23  0:13         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-23  1:47           ` Alexis
2024-06-23 19:00             ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-23 20:04               ` Alexander Schreiber
2024-06-24 13:50                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-24 14:21                   ` Dan Cross
2024-06-26  7:39                     ` Kevin Bowling
2024-06-24 15:03                   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-17  0:48 [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' " Noel Chiappa
2024-06-17  1:02 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17  1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17  3:56   ` ron minnich
2024-06-17  3:57     ` ron minnich
2024-06-17  5:41       ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-17  5:51         ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-17 15:56           ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17 16:00             ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17 16:59               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-06-17 16:43             ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17 22:49         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-20 16:45 Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2024-06-20 18:32 ` Kevin Bowling

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