From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2797 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2022 22:17:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Jun 2022 22:17:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6532440CCF; Sat, 4 Jun 2022 08:17:05 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1654294625; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-owner:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=F+/SGxdvvayrnXw+hBeYsL/iB49KpFIqmO4mkZE81L4=; b=nO/XYtjX3lw24LAUfKEOkVHnY20HLakUWSKUBThUbbtSIuBFuin2c0HwnX0Sqft6SK34W0 3rpRvITgnCuGu1uUWP1xIVH7i26wvOTJmH3Jybyn+DUzLhXZYXuA9101t024Uv/IWZJwa8 ZKeKNQk9ZKeL32ZTMdwpFI0x/l4wXXA= Received: from barsoom.hamartun.priv.no (barsoom.hamartun.priv.no [193.71.27.8]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0522C40CBE for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2022 08:16:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from thuvia.hamartun.priv.no (thuvia.hamartun.priv.no [IPv6:2001:8c0:c904:10::7]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by barsoom.hamartun.priv.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4LFHKt3hk3zG2gM; Sat, 4 Jun 2022 00:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: barsoom.hamartun.priv.no; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=2001:8c0:c904:10::7 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=hamartun.priv.no; s=barsoom; t=1654294610; cv=none; b=pP/vwLbvnGE6739KNexQ5fu0U8JLu4WVnjMqd2Bqfz+ewK6MPf9aImCgVrlFTIGVDbCCziozikk1oOyDWNGh+7rX+pTEDCV7hkx4T2N4MF5sBDDUMACZKdGzkeFoaI0ZmDWtctgV0/tsgjyjSexsl5s6w9ffgEFomYO82ISiJDs= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=hamartun.priv.no; s=barsoom; t=1654294610; c=relaxed/simple; bh=4DoGwcTHbSlTbnzc4b60+vd0Ln1Xzmrl5FG13p1Qigs=; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FHo/SFYnACeHMCVdnUnGsIGK2cjpsBkjdHA/zTrfLERSpw1P3A21WLTK14ja4YNW3Fq1UN6L6kb0VEd0qwgBs223vZOcfbAeYaGXb/tc6xutk7zsE9BjObho3Ds2U1XLqvr/eaJpB7Gm38uEMhxDvyGm7NOo7E3uWD3aAqvhMR4= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; barsoom.hamartun.priv.no DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hamartun.priv.no; s=20200727; t=1654294610; bh=F+/SGxdvvayrnXw+hBeYsL/iB49KpFIqmO4mkZE81L4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=TissUV29JWfr74vYHrMAn8EmXBnk6c3x2tUbYOUw9xhZg3Kdu5TWFrVv6z0VAsJhm PjTCIiy9C1+cAdu+oXs5DEJe5LeWG3QkkZZizwfQHqsc/gdPFpZZGML9ZM0XF1iz0M HOkjN+qlgZxB6uunqzu3chwZGYLP7gRNfm8O2hfU1rBBuHGEwzFs36QoJSczZ7DCjA ygjtFvNWAKqgVzj1KDHt/RvFwsiHKO7n59K0xLy/ndXfZS/ZxLIossMwXJEgw+4lpD NWDIcbeYbLX0W4Teg1790nfNeOCFCL1Jmr7gPfP2MHWu56WIKy944dd/7fiGfgPuXl CFDMFF9Ui8u+A== Received: by thuvia.hamartun.priv.no (Postfix, from userid 501) id 207634DF27; Sat, 4 Jun 2022 00:16:50 +0200 (CEST) To: Larry McVoy References: <20220603202330.f4spdxyn34uiyy5v@illithid> <20220603213215.GO10240@mcvoy.com> <20220603214032.GQ10240@mcvoy.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2022 00:16:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20220603214032.GQ10240@mcvoy.com> (Larry McVoy's message of "Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:40:32 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID-Hash: 24YT3MS2YI7KZ6LWACJ4MO2WVMEJ2EUN X-Message-ID-Hash: 24YT3MS2YI7KZ6LWACJ4MO2WVMEJ2EUN X-MailFrom: tih@hamartun.priv.no X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fwd: [simh] Announcing the Open SIMH project List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS Reply-To: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo X-Spam: Yes Larry McVoy writes: >> I do not agree. Linux won because BSD was embroiled in litigation. > > Like I said, we experienced that differently. In my opinion, people lean > on the litigation excuse when they don't want to admit that *BSD was not > a good way to do operating system development. What were the differences? The BSD projects were: - 386bsd: run by Jolitz, with no input from anyone else - NetBSD: forked from 386bsd, run by Chris de Metriou as a cooperative effort between a host of indviduals (me included) - FreeBSD: forked from NetBSD almost immediately, by a group of contributors who felt that performance and device support on the Intel platform was more important than maintaining hardware portability - OpenBSD: forked from NetBSD after de Raadt established a kind of record by being kicked off both the NetBSD and FreeBSD mailing lists. I'm open to contradicting arguments, but I do feel that the BSD platform was a much better starting point back then, and ought to have won - but Linux, while inferior, was available and non-threatening. -tih -- Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the significance of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay