From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8594 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2021 08:17:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Feb 2021 08:17:18 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B308B95034; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:17:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D6394F19; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:16:19 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; secure) header.d=hamartun.priv.no header.i=@hamartun.priv.no header.b="l4dq6vPe"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B9DEC94F19; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:15:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from barsoom.hamartun.priv.no (barsoom.hamartun.priv.no [193.71.27.8]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3055294F18 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:15:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from thuvia.hamartun.priv.no (thuvia.hamartun.priv.no [IPv6:2001:8c0:c904:10::7]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by barsoom.hamartun.priv.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dfv154dm5zG2dD; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 09:15:37 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: barsoom.hamartun.priv.no; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=2001:8c0:c904:10::7 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=hamartun.priv.no; s=barsoom; t=1613463338; cv=none; b=sPoaS6ISY0TzFOvUbO5JTsxnPyInLJqS8G85J4at1S9QYgBlbghvExu0HRgtTVy0n39hQd4vXHL4IlpEkVtLPswAmhnzIFKkLLn1VAojC8OZVrotwPt8a/q9kCkbqpoqkRrakI5yv5qaWn73MPnTXvRgdHUU21YW5Z26HfxycjM= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=hamartun.priv.no; s=barsoom; t=1613463338; c=relaxed/simple; bh=RtT3ssrDAk7wEMSasNG9+YTB+0vaynBG0AsQPrnmCcI=; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iGZaFjdu6uFincnCEoRtOySFzKGuw+y0o2RAYBnmxObJRaZeSjevN1KbaMO60PHSUbxYwyTA4Ty9LPVNn7EqPD6dXr+GZ92j3U9rhBcS5+Jtr3JjnfQkPG8XFELrKoPXBBZGxJQvqH2jpBEahK85T7tNmA69k/Z3GUzZMj3bZeg= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; barsoom.hamartun.priv.no DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hamartun.priv.no; s=20200727; t=1613463337; bh=RtT3ssrDAk7wEMSasNG9+YTB+0vaynBG0AsQPrnmCcI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=l4dq6vPeg8Iu1QJIIk+qNZEkKqmbhKpl3fLge0sQ6fr/RLQZh59G5B40HiiwaDqpG rI2B23UfScAXtIj0d4C3ury9jeAi3E8gaM4sPiCaV/XX6diQyK8xN5T0Hsa3QQA5JR 8BeFTYZfpyTM5M1sUb8TQC9l4SozWFd1gzyiBlEDSFBSICmv/pJ7csSQnBxET0HiqU G1HhLGDO2GIFiEMQD78Jy2aFuo9fDVEr837XS5SPSrBh7lbj+ZuQzxHBolCB9/SDp9 GEsqQDbrQyAeLdSfutvkxJ136ttpNVqvW0y38ZsI0+8qZZWFANF31WFtbM1/gsM1jr i+r9F3EfZszDw== Received: by thuvia.hamartun.priv.no (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3737D4DEEB; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 09:15:37 +0100 (CET) To: Jon Steinhart References: <202102151956.11FJuRIh3079869@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 09:15:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <202102151956.11FJuRIh3079869@darkstar.fourwinds.com> (Jon Steinhart's message of "Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:56:27 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [TUHS] Abstractions X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS Reply-To: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Jon Steinhart writes: > So if y'all are up for it, I'd like to have a discussion on what > abstractions would be appropriate in order to meet modern needs. Any > takers? A late friend of mine felt strongly that Unix needed an SQL interface to the kernel. With all information and configuration in a well designed schema, system administration could be greatly enhanced, he felt, and could have standard interaction patterns across components -- instead of all the quirky command line interfaces we have today, and their user oriented output formats that you need to parse to use the data. sysctl done right, so to speak. -tih -- Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the significance of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay