From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,URIBL_CSS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB0A23027 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2024 01:52:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7D643DEA; Sat, 6 Jul 2024 09:52:18 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1720223538; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=Kr2CQbdXoS7dmCDX2Pjs5DWFTCrGXErnlr+WOQ1jUUU=; b=6RsHgEnyDpDJ9yzCnmfFK0uIiXjkDQb8qnBmWDUtScUdlpDz47pjbkPi7wx43hcsvI08LC mYB7MhIpvTvLG8PJob4tSQ7WR+36Bc91dYbonn10VtEYWWUmTeyaCbhrSe3NRWXem/j1/v 60jcbFbrxNOEkyiHR7cZK1XBbgMUk7w= Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch (mail-4319.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.19]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BB3343DE9 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2024 09:52:11 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1720223529; x=1720482729; bh=Kr2CQbdXoS7dmCDX2Pjs5DWFTCrGXErnlr+WOQ1jUUU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=Ma8dHL3R9cqpBx2xja9BTsiBe9NJlQyuA8bDXczeEXCj1xJJaALBgra1/P+7OxGCP K60nBEvvobBYiPGbKijx634Fc/1JDz7NDdvvdYfbIfWyM+YU/N5XVPOIW8CA2dYb8t AEvzghaxcSDyr4Pi6AEo+Rzre4qyp31jU5aOENIT6QLXY+TkhBVF0B68Ar+y8YVroC CThMMvlhvEuvDfAdmcctVStFn4/ICTNI9fiP8OqREi6mg0rybCJCl+M9uoSExKtD2j DPrr36USY+BTRJFWASfFi16IFq+3YhWhTZxCbuvCXD4xBhroDB1OxLE+snLmyhefxK YaVVPZnydkV2g== Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 23:52:05 +0000 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 5838d79eec653231a269472b89656e5cad4b2bad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: AFVFG6L5JRR5M7B7YBJTUZGVIZS5CAOS X-Message-ID-Hash: AFVFG6L5JRR5M7B7YBJTUZGVIZS5CAOS X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Any Surviving LIL Compilers/Code Artifacts? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco So I'm doing a little bit of the footwork in prep for analyzing manual diff= erences between Research, Program Generic, and PWB/UNIX, and found somethin= g interesting. The LIL Programming Language[1] was briefly available as a user-supported s= ection 6 command on Fifth Edition (1974) UNIX, appearing as a page but not = even making it into the TOC. It was gone as quickly as it appeared in the = Research stream, not surviving into V6. However, with Al Kossow's provided Program Generic Issue 2 (1976) manual[2]= as well as notes in the MERT Issue 0 (1977) manual [3], it appears that LI= L was quite supported in the USG Program Generic line, making it into secti= on 1 of Issue 2 and staying there through to Issue 3. lc(1) happens to be = one of the pages excised in the transformation from PG Issue 3 to MERT Issu= e 0. This had me curious, so I went looking around the extant V5 sources and cou= ldn't find anything resembling the LIL compiler. Does anyone know if this = has survived in any other fashion? Additionally, does anyone have any reco= llection of whether LIL was in significant use in USG-supported UNIX sites,= or if it somehow made it into section 1 and spread around due to the state= of use in Research at the time USG sampled userland out. Finally, one little tidbit from P.J. Plauger's paper[1] stuck out to me: ".= ..the resulting language was used to help write a small PDP-11/10 operating= system at Bell Labs." Does anyone have any information about this operati= ng system, whether it was a LIL experiment or something purpose-driven and = used in its own right after creation? [1] - http://www.ultimate.com/phil/lil/ [2] - http://bitsavers.org/pdf/att/unix/6th_Edition/UNIX_Programmers_Manual= _197601.pdf [3] - https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/MERT_Release_0/Pgs= %2001-38%20Unix%20Programmer's%20Manual%20for%20MERT.pdf