From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13929 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Jul 2021 15:29:00 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 941909C841; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 01:28:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1B09C7F1; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 01:28:33 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; secure) header.d=jfloren.net header.i=@jfloren.net header.b="ofaUqKz8"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F26799C7F1; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 01:28:30 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 55531 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 01:28:28 AEST Received: from mail-0201.mail-europe.com (mail-0201.mail-europe.com [51.77.79.158]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBEAB9C7F0 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 01:28:28 +1000 (AEST) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:28:22 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jfloren.net; s=protonmail; t=1626449303; bh=q+Iaj6AslcLAR8/r090mW4U9GBj/gv5IbPIuX3ZYQIo=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=ofaUqKz8D4kUSkkbGW/D9xABXtZJynHZiCAZBSSUhDCUF36Aog+xNr2blMch2nAt8 Itx7m42aMfZL9l7E9PETB96WZeCfzBbwl/xo3bUuv/ucmG3UC/NVVXl2gGWUqY680X FUuKktzw3YJtPqEOQiEumY1H6YyAnUoghiwRB+0KUCGAUgei9ySDvdQoGhJHViulVg /zyrT6gnHQtE3N9w06jSLCPpBdbR90xa7JHReUn1IJ2vOvpuDjMnoAnLXy+CmGQX/T sqFl7GeVL7HRARVxuQtP7pE4RhB9EIk3tPKXzBJybUjfHh2qEkDTDxXmF0VLdJtgBZ gz/Mzf756vNQw== To: Lars Brinkhoff From: John Floren Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7w8s26pst6.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> References: <7w8s26pst6.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] head/sed/tail (was The Unix shell: a 50-year view) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: John Floren Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Friday, July 16th, 2021 at 1:27 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wro= te: > John Floren wrote: > > > Speaking of SAIL (and I suppose further derailing an already derailed > > > > discussion), I've occasionally looked for more information about the > > > > environment (typically whenever a book or article briefly mentions > > > > SAIL as a place with lots of custom hardware and software) but come up > > > > with little. Anyone know of good description of SAIL computer systems? > > I'm risking the Wrath of the Moderator here, but I really want to supply > > some information. Sorry, this is very far from Unix. But hey, SUDS was > > used to design the Stanford SUN Unix workstation. > > What do you mean with "SAIL computer systems"? I think upthread SAIL > > was referencing the Algol compiler written at the Stanford AI lab. But > > SAIL was also an acronym for the entire lab, AND also used as a name for > > the main timesharing computer hardware. The hardware was first a PDP-6, > > then adding a PDP-10 (KA10), then a KL10. The operating system was > > eventually named WAITS, but was also sometimes called SAIL or just > > SYSTEM. WAITS was also run on two Foonlies at other sites, and those > > could also be called SAIL computer systems in some sense. > > I gather you probably mean the AI lab and its computers. The best place > > for information is saildart.org, and Bruce Baumgart is working on a tome > > called "SAILDART_Prolegomenon". This work in progress is 116 pages. > > https://github.com/PDP-10/waits/blob/master/doc/SAILDART_Prolegomenon_201= 6.pdf Yes, WAITS is what I was thinking of. As I mentioned in my previous mail, it feels like the SAIL timesharing systems get mentioned briefly in a lot of accounts of historical computing, sometimes with mention that they had some sort of (relatively) advanced video terminals, but no in-depth descriptions of the actual hardware/software environment. I will take a look at saildart.org and the Prolegomenon, thanks! John