From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 16029 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2023 06:31:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Dec 2023 06:31:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60B643D4D; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 16:30:57 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1703831457; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=qbGZ1bbk+BJnAQ7KZ50kdMJLZ4GKSjLI2nSq3aQjbVY=; b=Xgj7f+MSZxVwguiTwneTEqMe7KApRplJ66TIAc9uyTE0BR99z5cT/23yhU3c4/VZgqWKGQ Zr11bMXsFOUiY4cZ0SX9b96/vmi0ewQe54OgS/bgHPwOUv3WEg8s+8qlTJkXTYjqgT5KNm 9E/VbwlC6IVHN9vM1IubxM873bEWJtw= Received: from mail-40140.protonmail.ch (mail-40140.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.140]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A77143D4C for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 16:30:52 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1703831448; x=1704090648; bh=qbGZ1bbk+BJnAQ7KZ50kdMJLZ4GKSjLI2nSq3aQjbVY=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=Q/7w0SGndL9GTLn2hiZhxaCrryL9VKb+B2KpuIVJ87LcEEeKHkGCXnlGEYuy2DevH sMwHY20oV1Gj9QT6Pf2IGGtW8PCnbHCv3mkW6+0zTmaB6ZK1wxVWTelp4JNwjFllZS HUQDH6+W8MJ1rWkrqyXXZlomBBY9Aho6kOSH8FSiaGmqOl+/1nT1u0dq3Skif6ldd7 a8Tf3Hsw0079Nsphgtsyc1BD4MiRq0Sso0Xz9AmwNMdxkomTeXZjh5XLP4uNGp/C0A 4bN+ymtFLTYfW7yv/Y23/HgNnVUqNI7q9QeFaBxC8YBEVMQsTP1sqkTiR6G+G0/Svm luWTUChwRsAqQ== Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 06:30:28 +0000 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: U4AD4BPEB6X4D4FSKLIMVVR5Z6KFO3WR X-Message-ID-Hash: U4AD4BPEB6X4D4FSKLIMVVR5Z6KFO3WR X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Early 70's WECo "Turnkey Systems"? Re: S.S. Pirzada UNIX Paper List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco In S.S. Pirzada's 1988 paper[1], page 35, section 3.3.2, he writes: "Some operating telephone companies and the switching control center system= (SCCS) group in Holmdel, NJ decided to use UNIX to collect maintenance dat= a from their switches and for administration purposes. Other departments al= so started building applications on top of UNIX, some part of turnkey syste= ms licensed by Western Electric (WECo)." This is describing the situation before the establishment of USG in Septemb= er 1973. I'm curious, does anyone recall what some of these pre-USG WECo "= turnkey systems" were? The things that come to mind when I think of that phrase don't come about f= or several years, such as the 5ESS and other work surrounding Bellmac stuff= . The SCCS UNIX connection describes what becomes CB-UNIX if I understand = the situation correctly, but that stays a bit afield from the more conventi= onal pool that is dipped into for WECo needs. Switching and UNIX all kinda= come back together with DMERT on 1A/3B-API and 5ESS, but again that's late= 70s R&D, early 80s deployment, not this time period, leaving me terribly c= urious what WECo would've been bundling UNIX with and shipping out to telco= s. The famous early use of UNIX in the Bell System is typography, and WECo= did have involvement with Teletype equipment, so perhaps something along t= hose lines? If it helps set the scene, a binder I recently picked up from ~1972 describ= ing Western Electric test sets distributed to telcos describes the followin= g additional classes of such documents: Shop Services - Special non-standard products Public Telephones - System standard public telephone equipment Data Communications - Teletypewriter and Data Sets Subscriber Products - System standard PBX's, station equipment and special = services Non-Subscriber Products - Microwave, cable, power equipment, etc. Non-Bell Equipment Index - Non-Bell System manufactured communication equip= ment Unfortunately haven't seen any of the other binders yet but I've been keepi= ng an eye out, one or another might describe something WECo was shipping ar= ound that had some UNIX up in it. Nothing in this binder seems computer-y = enough to run an operating system, just lots of gauges, dials, and probes. = Luckily it is quite clear what data test sets are designed for 103-data se= t maintenance so I have fodder for seeking Dataphone tools... Anywho, happy soon to be new year folks, I'm excited to see what turns up n= ext year! - Matt G. [1] - https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstream/10044/1/7942/1/Shamim_Sharfud= din_Pirzada-1988-PhD-Thesis.pdf