From: ahesford <ahesford@users.noreply.github.com>
To: ml@inbox.vuxu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] pipewire: split p-m-s into separate package, do not autostart session manager by default
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 16:54:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230125155400.IZgsKubN9y5MpIHzLD9wReDI9oaKICfrj1gF_Sbk74I@z> (raw)
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New comment by ahesford on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/pull/38521#issuecomment-1403832919
Comment:
All options are undesirable, sure; but they are not all equally undesirable.
As it stands, your proposal ships a pipewire package that will not function without adding additional packages. GNOME and KDE may pull in wireplumber; other people (like me) have already manually installed wireplumber; still others may only have pipewire installed, and not having pipewire pull in a session manager means that those users upgrading (or pulling pipewire for the first time) will find that the default configuration is broken.
You can make the argument that new users should read the docs, and we should have documentation that tells people "to use pipewire, install `pipewire` and `wireplumber`". However, that doesn't change the fact that dropping pipewire-media-session will pull the rug out from all users already using pipewire that aren't also using wireplumber (directly or transitively). That's a crappy experience. No matter what we do, we might cause problems for people with custom configs, but that is somewhat unavoiable and less crappy because those people should be expected to know how their configuration deviates and diagnose when it breaks.
If you concede that *something* should exist as a convenience to pull in both pipewire and wireplumber, making `pipewire` the meta-package is necessary to ensure a smooth upgrade path. Keeping `pipewire` as is and making a new `pipewire-base` or something along those lines means upgrading users will not see the new package structure.
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Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-07 19:28 [PR PATCH] pipewire: use a conffile to autostart p-m-s CameronNemo
2022-08-17 19:20 ` [PR PATCH] [Updated] " CameronNemo
2022-08-20 22:22 ` pipewire: use a drop-in " paper42
2022-08-21 6:03 ` CameronNemo
2022-08-21 6:06 ` CameronNemo
2022-08-21 6:07 ` CameronNemo
2022-09-05 18:57 ` [PR PATCH] [Updated] " CameronNemo
2022-09-08 3:06 ` pipewire: update to 0.3.57, " ericonr
2022-09-08 5:28 ` CameronNemo
2022-09-08 5:30 ` CameronNemo
2022-09-20 12:21 ` CameronNemo
2022-09-20 12:29 ` Duncaen
2022-09-20 18:20 ` CameronNemo
2022-09-20 18:24 ` Duncaen
2022-09-20 18:30 ` Duncaen
2022-09-20 18:32 ` Duncaen
2022-09-20 18:35 ` Duncaen
2022-09-20 18:53 ` CameronNemo
2022-09-20 21:24 ` CameronNemo
2022-12-09 22:40 ` leahneukirchen
2022-12-09 22:53 ` JamiKettunen
2022-12-09 22:54 ` JamiKettunen
2022-12-09 23:04 ` JamiKettunen
2022-12-10 3:25 ` CameronNemo
2022-12-10 6:58 ` [PR PATCH] [Updated] " CameronNemo
2022-12-10 7:10 ` [PR PATCH] [Updated] [RFC] pipewire: split p-m-s into separate package, do not autostart session manager by default CameronNemo
2022-12-10 7:16 ` CameronNemo
2023-01-13 7:06 ` [PR PATCH] [Updated] " CameronNemo
2023-01-13 7:41 ` CameronNemo
2023-01-13 8:33 ` CameronNemo
2023-01-22 23:39 ` motorto
2023-01-23 3:58 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:05 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:15 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:19 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:20 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:21 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:24 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:31 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:34 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:36 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 4:39 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 5:42 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 6:08 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 6:09 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 6:42 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 6:45 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 6:45 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 6:46 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 6:47 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 6:48 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 7:22 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:02 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:02 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:02 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:03 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:04 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:05 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:05 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:05 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:05 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:08 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 8:09 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 9:10 ` oreo639
2023-01-23 22:30 ` CameronNemo
2023-01-23 22:30 ` CameronNemo
2023-01-25 14:53 ` ahesford
2023-01-25 15:40 ` CameronNemo
2023-01-25 15:52 ` ahesford
2023-01-25 15:54 ` ahesford [this message]
2023-01-25 15:54 ` CameronNemo
2023-01-25 15:54 ` [PR PATCH] [Closed]: " CameronNemo
2023-01-25 16:31 ` ahesford
2023-01-28 11:42 ` oreo639
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