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* [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
@ 2022-02-07 16:35 meator
  2022-02-07 22:12 ` ram02z
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From: meator @ 2022-02-07 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New issue by meator on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460

Description:
### System

* xuname:  *Void 5.15.19_1 x86_64 GenuineIntel uptodate rrrmdFFFFFFF*
* package:  *firefox-96.0.2_1*

### Expected behavior
Firefox working normally.
### Actual behavior
When I leave Firefox running for a while, everything stops working. I can't create or close tabs by clicking the buttons nor by using keyboard shortcuts, I can't open links, I can't use buttons, I can't edit the URL bar... Apart from that, everything else works normally. I can switch tabs, links I hover over get highlighted, I can even create and close tabs via right-clicking the tab bar... It's really weird.
### Steps to reproduce the behavior
I'm not aware of anything special on my system that could cause this. I have tried to run Firefox with all extentions disabled and the problem occurred again. I can reproduce this by using Firefox in general. If there are any log files or some information that could help diagnose the problem, I can post it here.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
@ 2022-02-07 22:12 ` ram02z
  2022-02-08  0:39 ` cinerea0
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From: ram02z @ 2022-02-07 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ml

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New comment by ram02z on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1031987545

Comment:
I have this same issue actually. I thought it was a coincidence but it has happened to me quite a few times. If there is anything I can do to diagnose this issue, please let me know.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
  2022-02-07 22:12 ` ram02z
@ 2022-02-08  0:39 ` cinerea0
  2022-02-10 15:52 ` Vistaus
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From: cinerea0 @ 2022-02-08  0:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ml

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New comment by cinerea0 on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1032092139

Comment:
This is happening to me too, count me in if testing needs to be done.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
  2022-02-07 22:12 ` ram02z
  2022-02-08  0:39 ` cinerea0
@ 2022-02-10 15:52 ` Vistaus
  2022-02-10 16:16 ` daerich
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From: Vistaus @ 2022-02-10 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ml

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New comment by Vistaus on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1035083837

Comment:
Can't reproduce this.

But maybe one of you could test https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/pull/35509 to see if it's fixed in that new version.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-02-10 15:52 ` Vistaus
@ 2022-02-10 16:16 ` daerich
  2022-02-10 16:21 ` daerich
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From: daerich @ 2022-02-10 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by daerich on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1035112886

Comment:
Do you all use Intel Hardware/Acceleration?
It was reported to cause Problems in #35433 and after awhile it did too for me. Might be the/an issue, would be interesting if it lined up in the Hardware specs of your systems.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-02-10 16:16 ` daerich
@ 2022-02-10 16:21 ` daerich
  2022-02-10 16:36 ` ram02z
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From: daerich @ 2022-02-10 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by daerich on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1035112886

Comment:
Do you all use Intel Hardware/Acceleration?
It was reported to cause Problems in #35433 and after awhile it did for me too. Might be the/an issue, would be interesting  your Hardware specs lined up

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-02-10 16:21 ` daerich
@ 2022-02-10 16:36 ` ram02z
  2022-02-12  0:10 ` wertz14
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From: ram02z @ 2022-02-10 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by ram02z on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1035136832

Comment:
> Do you all use Intel Hardware/Acceleration? It was reported to cause Problems in #35433 and after awhile it did for me too. Might be the/an issue, would be interesting your Hardware specs lined up

Nope I am using an AMD Ryzen CPU.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
                   ` (5 preceding siblings ...)
  2022-02-10 16:36 ` ram02z
@ 2022-02-12  0:10 ` wertz14
  2022-02-13 18:30 ` ram02z
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From: wertz14 @ 2022-02-12  0:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ml

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New comment by wertz14 on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1036819029

Comment:
I remember Firefox having this issue since the mid 2000s. It was criticized a lot by older users used to software that could run for years without issue because of this. A librewolf AppImage I'm running has the same behavior, so I don't think this is a packaging or void problem at all.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-02-12  0:10 ` wertz14
@ 2022-02-13 18:30 ` ram02z
  2022-02-13 18:55 ` Vistaus
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From: ram02z @ 2022-02-13 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by ram02z on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1038324243

Comment:
> Can't reproduce this.
> 
> But maybe one of you could test #35509 to see if it's fixed in that new version.

Still the same issue unfortunately.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
                   ` (7 preceding siblings ...)
  2022-02-13 18:30 ` ram02z
@ 2022-02-13 18:55 ` Vistaus
  2022-02-13 19:03 ` ram02z
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From: Vistaus @ 2022-02-13 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ml

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New comment by Vistaus on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1038343479

Comment:
> > Can't reproduce this.
> > But maybe one of you could test #35509 to see if it's fixed in that new version.
> 
> Still the same issue unfortunately.

Strange. I too use a Ryzen and I can't reproduce this, not even on Firefox 96 or 98 for that matter.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
                   ` (8 preceding siblings ...)
  2022-02-13 18:55 ` Vistaus
@ 2022-02-13 19:03 ` ram02z
  2022-02-14  5:36 ` zlice
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From: ram02z @ 2022-02-13 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ml

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New comment by ram02z on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1038352145

Comment:
> > > Can't reproduce this.
> > > But maybe one of you could test #35509 to see if it's fixed in that new version.
> > 
> > Still the same issue unfortunately.
> 
> Strange. I too use a Ryzen and I can't reproduce this, not even on Firefox 96 or 98 for that matter.

Typically it occurs when I have lots of instances of Firefox open. Not an OOM issue though.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-02-13 19:03 ` ram02z
@ 2022-02-14  5:36 ` zlice
  2022-02-14 10:34 ` Vistaus
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From: zlice @ 2022-02-14  5:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by zlice on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1038664179

Comment:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=freeze

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1751121

They have had a slew of problems over the last few years, getting worse and worse. I'm on nightly 99, 95-97 were trash for me, constantly crashing and hanging w/o crash window or dbg output, UI glitches and freezes. Still getting some in 99 but...ever since the announcement of them not making money a while back it's been a bumpy ride. I really don't think it's Void/linux related. Windows users are reporting similar issues in some cases.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-02-14  5:36 ` zlice
@ 2022-02-14 10:34 ` Vistaus
  2022-02-14 16:52 ` meator
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From: Vistaus @ 2022-02-14 10:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by Vistaus on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1038922384

Comment:
In that case, this issue can be closed as it indeed doesn't seem Void-related.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
                   ` (11 preceding siblings ...)
  2022-02-14 10:34 ` Vistaus
@ 2022-02-14 16:52 ` meator
  2022-02-24 17:20 ` meator
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From: meator @ 2022-02-14 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by meator on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1039316631

Comment:
I can also confirm that the issue is still occurring, even with *firefox-97.0_1*. I'm using Intel hardware. I find interesting that Firefox worked flawlessly before. Firefox doesn't crash, doesn't have any UI glitches... Apart from problems I described earlier, Firefox is working flawlessly.

It once happened when I only had one instance of Firefox open that had only three tabs open, which means that this issue doesn't occur only under heavy load (and I had only few terminals open and a irc client, so Firefox should have had enough system resources.).

It is very possible that this isn't Void's fault. I'll try to look at the Firefox bugzilla. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1751121 says that it occurs under heavy loads, which means that this could be a different issue, but who knows?

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-02-14 16:52 ` meator
@ 2022-02-24 17:20 ` meator
  2022-02-24 18:04 ` Vistaus
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From: meator @ 2022-02-24 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by meator on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1050080601

Comment:
I have switched to firefox-esr because I require reliable internet browsing and everything is working so far.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-02-24 17:20 ` meator
@ 2022-02-24 18:04 ` Vistaus
  2022-03-10 11:44 ` jdnumm
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From: Vistaus @ 2022-02-24 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by Vistaus on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1050119608

Comment:
> I have switched to firefox-esr because I require reliable internet browsing and everything is working so far.

According to earlier bug reports and testimonials, this issue has been present for years and thus should be present in Firefox ESR as well.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-02-24 18:04 ` Vistaus
@ 2022-03-10 11:44 ` jdnumm
  2022-03-10 14:09 ` meator
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From: jdnumm @ 2022-03-10 11:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by jdnumm on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1063968326

Comment:
I can confirm that firefox-esr has the same behavior. Most time it occurs after wake up from sleep.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-03-10 11:44 ` jdnumm
@ 2022-03-10 14:09 ` meator
  2022-03-10 14:23 ` jdnumm
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From: meator @ 2022-03-10 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by meator on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1064103300

Comment:
> I can confirm that firefox-esr has the same behavior. Most time it occurs after wake up from sleep.

I have been using firefox-esr for a while now and the issue doesn't occur anymore. Are you sure this is the same issue?

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-03-10 14:09 ` meator
@ 2022-03-10 14:23 ` jdnumm
  2022-05-15  5:55 ` AviKav
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From: jdnumm @ 2022-03-10 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by jdnumm on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1064117387

Comment:
> I have been using firefox-esr for a while now and the issue doesn't occur anymore. Are you sure this is the same issue?

Think so, have the problem one or two times a day. This morning I had a web call and keep browse in another window, then everything gets unusable slow.

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-03-10 14:23 ` jdnumm
@ 2022-05-15  5:55 ` AviKav
  2022-05-15 12:30 ` zlice
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From: AviKav @ 2022-05-15  5:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by AviKav on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1126866822

Comment:
Does this occur with Mozilla's builds of FF?

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-05-15  5:55 ` AviKav
@ 2022-05-15 12:30 ` zlice
  2022-05-27 19:52 ` zlice
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From: zlice @ 2022-05-15 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by zlice on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1126928809

Comment:
FWIW - they may have someone looking into some related freezing finally. [1766136](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1766136) & [1758561](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1758561)

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* Re: Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while
  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-05-15 12:30 ` zlice
@ 2022-05-27 19:52 ` zlice
  2022-05-29  9:39 ` biopsin
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New comment by zlice on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1139982758

Comment:
sharing this because it baffled me and there's still no reason of 'why'

an empty `~/.local/share/fonts` triggers font rebuilds that cause firefox to crap out, chug, and in some cases (bookmarks and context menus for me) crash

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  2022-02-07 16:35 [ISSUE] Firefox becomes unresponsive after a while meator
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  2022-05-27 19:52 ` zlice
@ 2022-05-29  9:39 ` biopsin
  2022-08-28  2:14 ` github-actions
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New comment by biopsin on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1140412814

Comment:
On one of my mediastations with -esr Im combating this for a loong time and it still crash if I dont disable webgl.
- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1726588
- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1743505

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New comment by github-actions[bot] on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460#issuecomment-1229358042

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Closed issue by meator on void-packages repository

https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/35460

Description:
### System

* xuname:  *Void 5.15.19_1 x86_64 GenuineIntel uptodate rrrmdFFFFFFF*
* package:  *firefox-96.0.2_1*

### Expected behavior
Firefox working normally.
### Actual behavior
When I leave Firefox running for a while, everything stops working. I can't create or close tabs by clicking the buttons nor by using keyboard shortcuts, I can't open links, I can't use buttons, I can't edit the URL bar... Apart from that, everything else works normally. I can switch tabs, links I hover over get highlighted, I can even create and close tabs via right-clicking the tab bar... It's really weird.
### Steps to reproduce the behavior
I'm not aware of anything special on my system that could cause this. I have tried to run Firefox with all extentions disabled and the problem occurred again. I can reproduce this by using Firefox in general. If there are any log files or some information that could help diagnose the problem, I can post it here.

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