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Reply-To: "Caleb M." Precedence: list Mailing-list: list voidlinux@googlegroups.com; contact voidlinux+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 289663804196 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , On Friday, July 3, 2020 1:18:26 AM EDT, Alexis wrote: >> It also removes the "Forum" heading on the nav bar. > > Sorry, i don't understand why you'd do that? That's a link to > the r/voidlinux subreddit, which is thriving, and which is one > of the two primary places we suggest people ask for help (the > other being #voidlinux on Freenode). This mailing list has been > inactive for a while. It made sense to have a "Forum" heading back when it was Discourse, because it was hosted by the project and felt more like part of the website. When the "Forum" heading started linking to the subreddit it seemed weird to me because the subreddit is not part of the site, and most people would call it a subreddit rather than a forum. If we are linking to the mailing list from the website, it feels even more weird to leave the heading there. If we are adopting a more expansive definition of the word "forum" that includes the subreddit, then the google group is a forum too. At that point the "Forum" heading is more confusing than helpful, in my opinion. The inactivity of the mailing list could be due to the lack of any mention of it on the website, or the fact that you and others don't point people to it. It sounds like some members of the community have decided the mailing list is dead, while some are still suggesting it as a place to ask for help and submit patches. Perhaps we should have a broader discussion about whether the mailing list is an official communication channel? At any rate, it's not all that important, but I hope I have conveyed why I think the Forum heading is increasingly misplaced. > More generally, though, the best thing to do would probably be > to submit your patch in the form of a PR to > https://github.com/void-linux/void-linux.github.io/. I don't have a GitHub account, and a few people on IRC have said the project will accept patches via the mailing list. I hope that is still true. Regards, Caleb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "voidlinux" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to voidlinux+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/voidlinux/20200703021419.5a3b3dc0247460d8d45b0bc5%40sdf.org.