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[2607:f8b0:4864:20::544]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f2si724114qkk.3.2020.07.12.02.40.36 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Jul 2020 02:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of congdanhqx@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::544 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::544; Received: by mail-pg1-x544.google.com with SMTP id z5so4693306pgb.6 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 02:40:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a63:720b:: with SMTP id n11mr62914928pgc.137.1594546836101; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 02:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([2402:800:6375:9968:2644:616c:71ad:c7e6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i67sm11982742pfg.13.2020.07.12.02.40.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 12 Jul 2020 02:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:40:33 +0700 From: =?utf-8?B?xJBvw6BuIFRy4bqnbiBDw7RuZw==?= Danh To: Quentin Rameau Cc: voidlinux@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: patch to add mailing list to website Message-ID: <20200712094033.GA11113@danh.dev> References: <20200702172902.899dc07ed0bd69adcc02edb4@sdf.org> <87h7upgorh.fsf@ada> <20200703021419.5a3b3dc0247460d8d45b0bc5@sdf.org> <87eeptgjlt.fsf@ada> <20200712110906.3ebe1413@fifth.space> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20200712110906.3ebe1413@fifth.space> X-Original-Sender: congdanhqx@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=abfO0bfa; spf=pass (google.com: domain of congdanhqx@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::544 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=congdanhqx@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list voidlinux@googlegroups.com; contact voidlinux+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 289663804196 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , On 2020-07-12 11:09:06+0200, 'Quentin Rameau' via voidlinux wrote: > > > The inactivity of the mailing list could be due to the lack of=20 > > > any > > > mention of it on the website, or the fact that you and others=20 > > > don't > > > point people to it. > >=20 > > When i started using Void last year, the mailing list was=20 > > mentioned in a few different places, and so i immediately joined=20 > > it. Despite the fact that the mailing list /was/ being mentioned,=20 > > i found that people weren't using it. Which doesn't surprise me -=20 > > although i prefer mailing lists, it seems many people nowadays=20 > > really don't like using them. So i'm not sure that the inactivity=20 > > of the mailing list is primarily due to it not being mentioned. > >=20 > > > It sounds like some members of the community > > > have decided the mailing list is dead, while some are still=20 > > > suggesting > > > it as a place to ask for help and submit patches. Perhaps we=20 > > > should > > > have a broader discussion about whether the mailing list is an > > > official communication channel? > >=20 > > Yes, i agree it would be good to be clear on this, as i raised=20 > > this issue myself here: > >=20 > > https://github.com/void-linux/void-docs/issues/337#issuecomment-6498999= 28 > >=20 > > If it's decided that the mailing list is still an official=20 > > communication channel, then it should certainly be mentioned on=20 > > the "Join Us" page. >=20 > Another point is that most people systematically advertise github > company (like we saw here) as a communication tool in opposition to the > mailing list. >=20 > Also, the incentive of some void developers is to centralize data in a > single place, like what is the github model, one plateform to rule them > all. >=20 > There is also this argument that this would close the door to the github > crowd (ie: those who supposedly would not be able to use a mailing > because it's more complicated than a web interface). >=20 > Finding the mailing is hard, at this moment the only mention of it is > =E2=80=9CWe also maintain a mailing list which you can find on the websit= e=E2=80=9D but > I wasn't actually able to find it, the only mention of it seems to be > on the deprecated and unlinked wiki. I couldn't find this mailing list until 1 or 2 weeks ago. Until someone pasted a link to ml archive in IRC. I really prefer ml over GitHub for the quoting and thread-like discussion. > So, in the end, the lack of willingness from the main developers to > using the mailing list, plus the lack of advertisement about it surely > makes it hard for people to come (back) to it. I think there's another point that can help boost the usage of mailing list: better web interface to archive of mailing list. Right now, I think public-inbox is ideal for this purpose, simple interface with no javascript, clonable (so anyone that was late to the party can have an offline copy to search), leah2 is maintaining one such archive, and I think it's worth to move it into voidlinux.org > Also maybe that is true that the majority of void users are github-bound > users, but that doesn't mean there aren't others. --=20 Danh aka sgn --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= voidlinux" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to voidlinux+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= voidlinux/20200712094033.GA11113%40danh.dev.