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[45.32.148.28]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q12si437002wrw.4.2020.07.12.02.09.13 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 12 Jul 2020 02:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of quinq@fifth.space designates 45.32.148.28 as permitted sender) client-ip=45.32.148.28; Received: from fifth.space (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fifth.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e2e25409 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:09:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx1.fifth.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id afb4a95f (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:09:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:09:06 +0200 From: "'Quentin Rameau' via voidlinux" To: voidlinux@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: patch to add mailing list to website Message-ID: <20200712110906.3ebe1413@fifth.space> In-Reply-To: <87eeptgjlt.fsf@ada> References: <20200702172902.899dc07ed0bd69adcc02edb4@sdf.org> <87h7upgorh.fsf@ada> <20200703021419.5a3b3dc0247460d8d45b0bc5@sdf.org> <87eeptgjlt.fsf@ada> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: quinq@fifth.space X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@fifth.space header.s=20190812 header.b=e9LHT1i2; spf=pass (google.com: domain of quinq@fifth.space designates 45.32.148.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=quinq@fifth.space; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=fifth.space X-Original-From: Quentin Rameau Reply-To: Quentin Rameau Precedence: list Mailing-list: list voidlinux@googlegroups.com; contact voidlinux+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 289663804196 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , > > The inactivity of the mailing list could be due to the lack of=20 > > any > > mention of it on the website, or the fact that you and others=20 > > don't > > point people to it. >=20 > When i started using Void last year, the mailing list was=20 > mentioned in a few different places, and so i immediately joined=20 > it. Despite the fact that the mailing list /was/ being mentioned,=20 > i found that people weren't using it. Which doesn't surprise me -=20 > although i prefer mailing lists, it seems many people nowadays=20 > really don't like using them. So i'm not sure that the inactivity=20 > of the mailing list is primarily due to it not being mentioned. >=20 > > It sounds like some members of the community > > have decided the mailing list is dead, while some are still=20 > > suggesting > > it as a place to ask for help and submit patches. Perhaps we=20 > > should > > have a broader discussion about whether the mailing list is an > > official communication channel? >=20 > Yes, i agree it would be good to be clear on this, as i raised=20 > this issue myself here: >=20 > https://github.com/void-linux/void-docs/issues/337#issuecomment-649899928 >=20 > If it's decided that the mailing list is still an official=20 > communication channel, then it should certainly be mentioned on=20 > the "Join Us" page. Another point is that most people systematically advertise github company (like we saw here) as a communication tool in opposition to the mailing list. Also, the incentive of some void developers is to centralize data in a single place, like what is the github model, one plateform to rule them all. There is also this argument that this would close the door to the github crowd (ie: those who supposedly would not be able to use a mailing because it's more complicated than a web interface). Finding the mailing is hard, at this moment the only mention of it is =E2=80=9CWe also maintain a mailing list which you can find on the website= =E2=80=9D but I wasn't actually able to find it, the only mention of it seems to be on the deprecated and unlinked wiki. So, in the end, the lack of willingness from the main developers to using the mailing list, plus the lack of advertisement about it surely makes it hard for people to come (back) to it. Also maybe that is true that the majority of void users are github-bound users, but that doesn't mean there aren't others. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= voidlinux" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to voidlinux+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= voidlinux/20200712110906.3ebe1413%40fifth.space.