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* Random crashes and log-outs of E19
@ 2015-09-04 15:50 Frankie Wild
  2015-09-06  9:31 ` Frankie Wild
  2015-10-09 14:41 ` Userx Xbw
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-04 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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I believe it's since I installed latest updates two days ago. 

At the time it occurs I get a black screen with a few lines of errors and 
then back to login screen.

I couldn't memorize what the errors were at the time. I have checked all 
logs in /var/log to no avail... 

Where could they be, so that I can post more info on the errors ? 

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-04 15:50 Random crashes and log-outs of E19 Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-06  9:31 ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-06 10:07   ` Frankie Wild
  2015-10-09 14:41 ` Userx Xbw
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-06  9:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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Interestingly enough it seems related to the udiskd daemon. At least this 
is what I am seeing for a second in the log upon crash before being 
presented with login screen.

Another thing I've noticed is that about the same time the crashes started 
a glitch in E19 appeared as well. Again random, when I am trying to close a 
window on the taskbar the mouse would move precisely to the center of the 
screen and does that constantly until reboot.

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 6:50:49 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> I believe it's since I installed latest updates two days ago. 
>
> At the time it occurs I get a black screen with a few lines of errors and 
> then back to login screen.
>
> I couldn't memorize what the errors were at the time. I have checked all 
> logs in /var/log to no avail... 
>
> Where could they be, so that I can post more info on the errors ? 
>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-06  9:31 ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-06 10:07   ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-06 17:37     ` Frankie Wild
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-06 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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dbus-monitor --system

dbus-monitor: unable to enable new-style monitoring: 
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: "Rejected send message, 1 matched 
rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.68" (uid=1000 pid=28279 
comm="dbus-monitor --system ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Monitoring" 
member="BecomeMonitor" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" 
destination="org.freedesktop.DBus" (bus)". Falling back to eavesdropping.
signal time=1441533725.361185 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
destination=:1.68 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
   string ":1.68"

dbus-monitor --session
signal time=1441533710.331885 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
destination=:1.6 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
   string ":1.6"
signal time=1441533710.331920 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
destination=:1.6 serial=4 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameLost
   string ":1.6"


This might give some clue if someone else is experiencing a similar 
behavior. 

I have also tried to exclusively stop the remounting of the devices over a 
certain period of time, since I suspect this is the case when the crashes 
happen.

udisks --inhibit-all-polling


Or 

udisks2 --inhibit-all-polling



Both resulting in command not found. 


On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:31:46 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> Interestingly enough it seems related to the udiskd daemon. At least this 
> is what I am seeing for a second in the log upon crash before being 
> presented with login screen.
>
> Another thing I've noticed is that about the same time the crashes started 
> a glitch in E19 appeared as well. Again random, when I am trying to close a 
> window on the taskbar the mouse would move precisely to the center of the 
> screen and does that constantly until reboot.
>
> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 6:50:49 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>
>> I believe it's since I installed latest updates two days ago. 
>>
>> At the time it occurs I get a black screen with a few lines of errors and 
>> then back to login screen.
>>
>> I couldn't memorize what the errors were at the time. I have checked all 
>> logs in /var/log to no avail... 
>>
>> Where could they be, so that I can post more info on the errors ? 
>>
>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-06 10:07   ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-06 17:37     ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-07 17:02       ` Frankie Wild
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-06 17:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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The errors got more informative. It's definitely being caused by the 
external drive I am using from time to time. Obviously it's crashing due to 
the periodic nature of remounting the devices that udisks uses and happens 
when I unplugged the external hdd earlier, not quite sure why it's not 
event based rather than interval based.

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 1:07:52 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> dbus-monitor --system
>
> dbus-monitor: unable to enable new-style monitoring: 
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: "Rejected send message, 1 matched 
> rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.68" (uid=1000 pid=28279 
> comm="dbus-monitor --system ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Monitoring" 
> member="BecomeMonitor" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" 
> destination="org.freedesktop.DBus" (bus)". Falling back to eavesdropping.
> signal time=1441533725.361185 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
> destination=:1.68 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
>    string ":1.68"
>
> dbus-monitor --session
> signal time=1441533710.331885 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
> destination=:1.6 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
>    string ":1.6"
> signal time=1441533710.331920 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
> destination=:1.6 serial=4 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameLost
>    string ":1.6"
>
>
> This might give some clue if someone else is experiencing a similar 
> behavior. 
>
> I have also tried to exclusively stop the remounting of the devices over a 
> certain period of time, since I suspect this is the case when the crashes 
> happen.
>
> udisks --inhibit-all-polling
>
>
> Or 
>
> udisks2 --inhibit-all-polling
>
>
>
> Both resulting in command not found. 
>
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:31:46 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>
>> Interestingly enough it seems related to the udiskd daemon. At least this 
>> is what I am seeing for a second in the log upon crash before being 
>> presented with login screen.
>>
>> Another thing I've noticed is that about the same time the crashes 
>> started a glitch in E19 appeared as well. Again random, when I am trying to 
>> close a window on the taskbar the mouse would move precisely to the center 
>> of the screen and does that constantly until reboot.
>>
>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 6:50:49 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe it's since I installed latest updates two days ago. 
>>>
>>> At the time it occurs I get a black screen with a few lines of errors 
>>> and then back to login screen.
>>>
>>> I couldn't memorize what the errors were at the time. I have checked all 
>>> logs in /var/log to no avail... 
>>>
>>> Where could they be, so that I can post more info on the errors ? 
>>>
>>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-06 17:37     ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-07 17:02       ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-07 18:12         ` Frankie Wild
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-07 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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Turns out to be more than that. I reinstalled udisks2 with external drive 
unplugged. Now the occasional log-outs happen with the notice udisks2 
successfully reinstalled... 

It happens about 10-15 times a day, so I am at the point of reinstalling 
the whole system or trying out Manjaro OpenRC, although I like Void and am 
sure that udisks2 is used throughout all distributions nowaday, replacing 
the good old HAL.

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 8:37:26 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> The errors got more informative. It's definitely being caused by the 
> external drive I am using from time to time. Obviously it's crashing due to 
> the periodic nature of remounting the devices that udisks uses and happens 
> when I unplugged the external hdd earlier, not quite sure why it's not 
> event based rather than interval based.
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 1:07:52 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>
>> dbus-monitor --system
>>
>> dbus-monitor: unable to enable new-style monitoring: 
>> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: "Rejected send message, 1 matched 
>> rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.68" (uid=1000 pid=28279 
>> comm="dbus-monitor --system ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Monitoring" 
>> member="BecomeMonitor" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" 
>> destination="org.freedesktop.DBus" (bus)". Falling back to eavesdropping.
>> signal time=1441533725.361185 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
>> destination=:1.68 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
>> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
>>    string ":1.68"
>>
>> dbus-monitor --session
>> signal time=1441533710.331885 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
>> destination=:1.6 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
>> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
>>    string ":1.6"
>> signal time=1441533710.331920 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
>> destination=:1.6 serial=4 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
>> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameLost
>>    string ":1.6"
>>
>>
>> This might give some clue if someone else is experiencing a similar 
>> behavior. 
>>
>> I have also tried to exclusively stop the remounting of the devices over 
>> a certain period of time, since I suspect this is the case when the crashes 
>> happen.
>>
>> udisks --inhibit-all-polling
>>
>>
>> Or 
>>
>> udisks2 --inhibit-all-polling
>>
>>
>>
>> Both resulting in command not found. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:31:46 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>
>>> Interestingly enough it seems related to the udiskd daemon. At least 
>>> this is what I am seeing for a second in the log upon crash before being 
>>> presented with login screen.
>>>
>>> Another thing I've noticed is that about the same time the crashes 
>>> started a glitch in E19 appeared as well. Again random, when I am trying to 
>>> close a window on the taskbar the mouse would move precisely to the center 
>>> of the screen and does that constantly until reboot.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 6:50:49 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I believe it's since I installed latest updates two days ago. 
>>>>
>>>> At the time it occurs I get a black screen with a few lines of errors 
>>>> and then back to login screen.
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't memorize what the errors were at the time. I have checked 
>>>> all logs in /var/log to no avail... 
>>>>
>>>> Where could they be, so that I can post more info on the errors ? 
>>>>
>>>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-07 17:02       ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-07 18:12         ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-08 20:42           ` Frankie Wild
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-07 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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Hmmm I knew there is more to it. 

Check this out, to all interested in the saga:

https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/udisks2-another-loss-for-linux/

The plague is everywhere, if you are not yet affected, stay tuned. 

Might as well try the shift to PC-BSD and Lumina in the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRm0NDo1CiY

On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 8:02:58 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> Turns out to be more than that. I reinstalled udisks2 with external drive 
> unplugged. Now the occasional log-outs happen with the notice udisks2 
> successfully reinstalled... 
>
> It happens about 10-15 times a day, so I am at the point of reinstalling 
> the whole system or trying out Manjaro OpenRC, although I like Void and am 
> sure that udisks2 is used throughout all distributions nowaday, replacing 
> the good old HAL.
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 8:37:26 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>
>> The errors got more informative. It's definitely being caused by the 
>> external drive I am using from time to time. Obviously it's crashing due to 
>> the periodic nature of remounting the devices that udisks uses and happens 
>> when I unplugged the external hdd earlier, not quite sure why it's not 
>> event based rather than interval based.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 1:07:52 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>
>>> dbus-monitor --system
>>>
>>> dbus-monitor: unable to enable new-style monitoring: 
>>> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: "Rejected send message, 1 matched 
>>> rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.68" (uid=1000 pid=28279 
>>> comm="dbus-monitor --system ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Monitoring" 
>>> member="BecomeMonitor" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" 
>>> destination="org.freedesktop.DBus" (bus)". Falling back to eavesdropping.
>>> signal time=1441533725.361185 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
>>> destination=:1.68 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
>>> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
>>>    string ":1.68"
>>>
>>> dbus-monitor --session
>>> signal time=1441533710.331885 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
>>> destination=:1.6 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
>>> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
>>>    string ":1.6"
>>> signal time=1441533710.331920 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
>>> destination=:1.6 serial=4 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
>>> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameLost
>>>    string ":1.6"
>>>
>>>
>>> This might give some clue if someone else is experiencing a similar 
>>> behavior. 
>>>
>>> I have also tried to exclusively stop the remounting of the devices over 
>>> a certain period of time, since I suspect this is the case when the crashes 
>>> happen.
>>>
>>> udisks --inhibit-all-polling
>>>
>>>
>>> Or 
>>>
>>> udisks2 --inhibit-all-polling
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Both resulting in command not found. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:31:46 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly enough it seems related to the udiskd daemon. At least 
>>>> this is what I am seeing for a second in the log upon crash before being 
>>>> presented with login screen.
>>>>
>>>> Another thing I've noticed is that about the same time the crashes 
>>>> started a glitch in E19 appeared as well. Again random, when I am trying to 
>>>> close a window on the taskbar the mouse would move precisely to the center 
>>>> of the screen and does that constantly until reboot.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 6:50:49 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe it's since I installed latest updates two days ago. 
>>>>>
>>>>> At the time it occurs I get a black screen with a few lines of errors 
>>>>> and then back to login screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> I couldn't memorize what the errors were at the time. I have checked 
>>>>> all logs in /var/log to no avail... 
>>>>>
>>>>> Where could they be, so that I can post more info on the errors ? 
>>>>>
>>>>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-07 18:12         ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-08 20:42           ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-09 21:47             ` JD Robinson
  2015-09-09 21:51             ` JD Robinson
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-08 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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OK, maybe it's my noobishment here, but after switching to udisks v1 
instead of v2 the log-outs would only show xbps successfully installed xxx 
package.

No more udisks errors, all errors now come as successful install of xbps 
package which happened earlier during the day via the regular xbps-install 
-Su.

I can see I am talking to myself, does that mean nobody else ever 
experienced such behaviour ? 

On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 9:12:37 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> Hmmm I knew there is more to it. 
>
> Check this out, to all interested in the saga:
>
> https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/udisks2-another-loss-for-linux/
>
> The plague is everywhere, if you are not yet affected, stay tuned. 
>
> Might as well try the shift to PC-BSD and Lumina in the end.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRm0NDo1CiY
>
> On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 8:02:58 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>
>> Turns out to be more than that. I reinstalled udisks2 with external drive 
>> unplugged. Now the occasional log-outs happen with the notice udisks2 
>> successfully reinstalled... 
>>
>> It happens about 10-15 times a day, so I am at the point of reinstalling 
>> the whole system or trying out Manjaro OpenRC, although I like Void and am 
>> sure that udisks2 is used throughout all distributions nowaday, replacing 
>> the good old HAL.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 8:37:26 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>
>>> The errors got more informative. It's definitely being caused by the 
>>> external drive I am using from time to time. Obviously it's crashing due to 
>>> the periodic nature of remounting the devices that udisks uses and happens 
>>> when I unplugged the external hdd earlier, not quite sure why it's not 
>>> event based rather than interval based.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 1:07:52 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>>
>>>> dbus-monitor --system
>>>>
>>>> dbus-monitor: unable to enable new-style monitoring: 
>>>> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: "Rejected send message, 1 matched 
>>>> rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.68" (uid=1000 pid=28279 
>>>> comm="dbus-monitor --system ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Monitoring" 
>>>> member="BecomeMonitor" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" 
>>>> destination="org.freedesktop.DBus" (bus)". Falling back to eavesdropping.
>>>> signal time=1441533725.361185 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
>>>> destination=:1.68 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
>>>> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
>>>>    string ":1.68"
>>>>
>>>> dbus-monitor --session
>>>> signal time=1441533710.331885 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
>>>> destination=:1.6 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
>>>> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired
>>>>    string ":1.6"
>>>> signal time=1441533710.331920 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> 
>>>> destination=:1.6 serial=4 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; 
>>>> interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameLost
>>>>    string ":1.6"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This might give some clue if someone else is experiencing a similar 
>>>> behavior. 
>>>>
>>>> I have also tried to exclusively stop the remounting of the devices 
>>>> over a certain period of time, since I suspect this is the case when the 
>>>> crashes happen.
>>>>
>>>> udisks --inhibit-all-polling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or 
>>>>
>>>> udisks2 --inhibit-all-polling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both resulting in command not found. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:31:46 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Interestingly enough it seems related to the udiskd daemon. At least 
>>>>> this is what I am seeing for a second in the log upon crash before being 
>>>>> presented with login screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thing I've noticed is that about the same time the crashes 
>>>>> started a glitch in E19 appeared as well. Again random, when I am trying to 
>>>>> close a window on the taskbar the mouse would move precisely to the center 
>>>>> of the screen and does that constantly until reboot.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 6:50:49 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe it's since I installed latest updates two days ago. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the time it occurs I get a black screen with a few lines of errors 
>>>>>> and then back to login screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldn't memorize what the errors were at the time. I have checked 
>>>>>> all logs in /var/log to no avail... 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where could they be, so that I can post more info on the errors ? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-08 20:42           ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-09 21:47             ` JD Robinson
  2015-09-09 21:51             ` JD Robinson
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: JD Robinson @ 2015-09-09 21:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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I'm a bit stumped as to what problem you're actually having.  Have you 
added yourself to the storage, disk, dbus and wheel groups?  I face palmed 
a few times trying to figure out that some of the random behavior I was 
getting with desktop environments were being caused by this. In fact some 
things just don't mount properly for some reason I have to do it manually 
with disks utility in xfce. I blame dbus weirdness for this.

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-08 20:42           ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-09 21:47             ` JD Robinson
@ 2015-09-09 21:51             ` JD Robinson
  2015-09-10  6:09               ` Frankie Wild
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: JD Robinson @ 2015-09-09 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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If you're getting booted off the system and out of the desktop environment, 
then you're violating some permissions somewhere or the service holding up 
your session is erring out on account of this.

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-09 21:51             ` JD Robinson
@ 2015-09-10  6:09               ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-10 11:54                 ` Frankie Wild
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-10  6:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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Thanks JD, 

Thanks for your suggestion. It's strange that I haven't touched anything on 
permissions or groups lately/past 2-3 months/ it happened just like that. 
And more interestingly when I checked the groups today to add the suggested 
most of what I added before was gone, so maybe that was it. I will inspect 
for a few days and report back whether it was solved by that.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 12:51:41 AM UTC+3, JD Robinson wrote:
>
> If you're getting booted off the system and out of the desktop 
> environment, then you're violating some permissions somewhere or the 
> service holding up your session is erring out on account of this.
>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-10  6:09               ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-10 11:54                 ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-10 21:07                   ` Frankie Wild
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-10 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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Added the user to the mentioned groups, also all other groups I considered 
relevant. The logouts now happen with two single lines I see as warnings, 
they also appear when I usually boot up my system - they come from brcmsmac 
and are printed by printk. They have been shown since day one without 
causing the current breaks. 

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 9:09:03 AM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> Thanks JD, 
>
> Thanks for your suggestion. It's strange that I haven't touched anything 
> on permissions or groups lately/past 2-3 months/ it happened just like 
> that. And more interestingly when I checked the groups today to add the 
> suggested most of what I added before was gone, so maybe that was it. I 
> will inspect for a few days and report back whether it was solved by that.
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 12:51:41 AM UTC+3, JD Robinson wrote:
>>
>> If you're getting booted off the system and out of the desktop 
>> environment, then you're violating some permissions somewhere or the 
>> service holding up your session is erring out on account of this.
>>
>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-10 11:54                 ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-10 21:07                   ` Frankie Wild
  2015-09-15  7:31                     ` Juan RP
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-09-10 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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Hey guys, 

I will just reinstall the whole system tomorrow. I haven't done anything 
other than xbps-install -Su during the past week, no new software 
installed, so a week with a dozen of logouts a day is enough for me. If the 
thing occurs again and I find a solution I will post it in the same thread.

Cheers!

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 2:54:05 PM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> Added the user to the mentioned groups, also all other groups I considered 
> relevant. The logouts now happen with two single lines I see as warnings, 
> they also appear when I usually boot up my system - they come from brcmsmac 
> and are printed by printk. They have been shown since day one without 
> causing the current breaks. 
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 9:09:03 AM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>
>> Thanks JD, 
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestion. It's strange that I haven't touched anything 
>> on permissions or groups lately/past 2-3 months/ it happened just like 
>> that. And more interestingly when I checked the groups today to add the 
>> suggested most of what I added before was gone, so maybe that was it. I 
>> will inspect for a few days and report back whether it was solved by that.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 12:51:41 AM UTC+3, JD Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> If you're getting booted off the system and out of the desktop 
>>> environment, then you're violating some permissions somewhere or the 
>>> service holding up your session is erring out on account of this.
>>>
>>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-10 21:07                   ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-09-15  7:31                     ` Juan RP
  2015-10-03  5:55                       ` Frankie Wild
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From: Juan RP @ 2015-09-15  7:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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I fear that reinstalling the system won't make the issues go away magically.

Note that I'm using udisks/udisks with e19 and never had a single crash.

If you are really sure it's udisks2 fault, try to start it manually with 
debugging and then collect a stack trace with gdb.

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-15  7:31                     ` Juan RP
@ 2015-10-03  5:55                       ` Frankie Wild
  2015-10-08 15:37                         ` Frankie Wild
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-10-03  5:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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Sorry to be responding a bit late. 

Thanks for the advice Juan.

I am also using e19 it was using udisks2 by default when the crashes 
started.

I then switched to udisks and the frequency of crashes somehow got lower 
but didn't disappear. Probably 5 to 10 a day.

I am not sure how to work with udisks although I went through their man 
pages, especially how to collect a stack trace with gdb.

Detailed instructions would be most welcome. 

P.S. Congrats on the great distribution, something truly unique and new in 
the sea of boring respins of major systemd distros.


On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:31:43 AM UTC+3, Juan RP wrote:
>
>
>
> I fear that reinstalling the system won't make the issues go away 
> magically.
>
> Note that I'm using udisks/udisks with e19 and never had a single crash.
>
> If you are really sure it's udisks2 fault, try to start it manually with 
> debugging and then collect a stack trace with gdb.
>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-10-03  5:55                       ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-10-08 15:37                         ` Frankie Wild
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-10-08 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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Update, interestingly enough the problem does not persist in KDE or Gnome. 
What's even more interesting is that the latter two run a bit faster than 
E19 which is hard to explain, given they are memory hogs. There were other 
glitches in E19 lately like flickering taskbar, Google Chrome menus 
sticking below all windows, and some recovery crashes. Staying with KDE for 
the time being as it performs brilliantly so far.

On Saturday, October 3, 2015 at 8:55:53 AM UTC+3, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> Sorry to be responding a bit late. 
>
> Thanks for the advice Juan.
>
> I am also using e19 it was using udisks2 by default when the crashes 
> started.
>
> I then switched to udisks and the frequency of crashes somehow got lower 
> but didn't disappear. Probably 5 to 10 a day.
>
> I am not sure how to work with udisks although I went through their man 
> pages, especially how to collect a stack trace with gdb.
>
> Detailed instructions would be most welcome. 
>
> P.S. Congrats on the great distribution, something truly unique and new in 
> the sea of boring respins of major systemd distros.
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:31:43 AM UTC+3, Juan RP wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I fear that reinstalling the system won't make the issues go away 
>> magically.
>>
>> Note that I'm using udisks/udisks with e19 and never had a single crash.
>>
>> If you are really sure it's udisks2 fault, try to start it manually with 
>> debugging and then collect a stack trace with gdb.
>>
>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-09-04 15:50 Random crashes and log-outs of E19 Frankie Wild
  2015-09-06  9:31 ` Frankie Wild
@ 2015-10-09 14:41 ` Userx Xbw
  2015-10-09 16:56   ` Frankie Wild
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Userx Xbw @ 2015-10-09 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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my experience with E is it is so experimental that one build release will 
work then the update causes it to crash - then the next (hopefully) fixes 
it -- that's why I stopped using it -- fyi

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:50:49 AM UTC-5, Frankie Wild wrote:
>
> I believe it's since I installed latest updates two days ago. 
>
> At the time it occurs I get a black screen with a few lines of errors and 
> then back to login screen.
>
> I couldn't memorize what the errors were at the time. I have checked all 
> logs in /var/log to no avail... 
>
> Where could they be, so that I can post more info on the errors ? 
>

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* Re: Random crashes and log-outs of E19
  2015-10-09 14:41 ` Userx Xbw
@ 2015-10-09 16:56   ` Frankie Wild
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Frankie Wild @ 2015-10-09 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: voidlinux


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Thanks for the feedback. I have experienced pretty much the same. They do 
have some very innovative ideas, for example I love the tiling environment, 
but since E17 they are pushing updates way too often, before being tested.

On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 5:41:02 PM UTC+3, Userx Xbw wrote:
>
> my experience with E is it is so experimental that one build release will 
> work then the update causes it to crash - then the next (hopefully) fixes 
> it -- that's why I stopped using it -- fyi
>
> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:50:49 AM UTC-5, Frankie Wild wrote:
>>
>> I believe it's since I installed latest updates two days ago. 
>>
>> At the time it occurs I get a black screen with a few lines of errors and 
>> then back to login screen.
>>
>> I couldn't memorize what the errors were at the time. I have checked all 
>> logs in /var/log to no avail... 
>>
>> Where could they be, so that I can post more info on the errors ? 
>>
>

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