I'm fairly certain that he was referring to you saying he was complaining and begging for someone else to do it for him when he called you nasty, hiro. I agree that his response was a little more personal than it should have been, but I think he's getting frustrated by Void and probably Linux in general.

After his last two emails (which both got really bad really fast) I think it's safe to say that he's no longer interested in Void. With that said, I have no clue how this Google Group is supposed to work with reply and reply-all. It seems that replying simply goes to the original sender while reply-all CCs them, with no default way to reply to the group directly. Does anyone more experienced with this have tips?

Last, hiro: Mozilla isn't just funded by Google anymore. Google doesn't tell them how to implement anything, in fact I'm pretty sure that Google still uses some of the standards Mozilla put into place years ago. I'd much use Firefox than Chrome, and the alternatives to those two don't seem to have much support.


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On Dec 22, 2018, 4:56 AM, hiro < 23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:

>As for people being nasty, there's a lot of people on the mailing list who are simple users and not devs for the project, myself included.

yep. i don't know why Smo needs to use personal attacks like calling
me "nasty". i'm just telling my personal opinion as a user of this
mailing list, i have no other affiliation to the voidlinux project.

Smo's his first mail made me wonder if he's trying to pressure the
project into providing him services for free, by making it seem like
voidlinux would otherwise lose tons of potentially important users
(like him?).

the rest of the mail is a little rant about web browsers, so skip if
you don't like the topic:

mozilla is financed by google, who would like to make you believe (now
more than ever, with microsoft pulling out of it's own web engine)
there is an alternative to google's monopoly over the web standards.

mozilla will continue to implement whatever standards google declares.
additionally it makes sense they've been using the ad revenue money
they received from google to market their browser as something
ethically superior. google would demand this. they clearly wouldn't
want to risk any painful anti-monopoly policies by any governments.

originally being about presentation, the web is now much more, e.g. a
distributed computing framework to enable a load of commercial
interests that happen to coincide with the consumption of digital and
material products.

it was never supposed to focus strongly on privacy, anonymity or
security in any form, and it is harder than ever to protect against
the many - by-design - data-leaking channels, that only get more
plentyful with rising complexity.

mozilla will not, and does not want to, change that.

On 12/22/18, 'Sam Schmalzried' via voidlinux <voidlinux@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> On the topic of adding software to the Void repos, you can find some pretty
> comprehensive instructions here: https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Xbps-src. Once
> you get Brave working on your own machine, you can follow those instructions
> and it will at least be included in the xbps-src repo which is the easiest
> way to add software to the project.
>
> As for people being nasty, there's a lot of people on the mailing list who
> are simple users and not devs for the project, myself included.
>
> Last, in response to hiro: what's wrong with Firefox and FF-based browsers?
> Last I checked Mozilla is pretty committed to open source, and what little
> information collection they have enabled is easy enough to opt out of.
>
> Sam Schmalzried
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Friday, December 21, 2018 4:13 PM, Smo Oey <smooeycom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I ain't complaining that it's not added, you don't gotta get nasty. I
>> don't know how to add all that stuff and didn't think any random users
>> could mess with the voidlinux repos or whatever. If that's how "Devs" act
>> or treat general users or whatever, then forget Void. Don't need this shit
>> from anyone.
>>
>> On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 4:38:58 PM UTC-5, hiro neu wrote:
>>
>>> even though i agree that webkit and firefox based browsers should be
>>> dropped for privacy reasons, people are obviously providing all kinds
>>> of horrible popular packages without asking me.
>>>
>>> if you also want to provide a horrible webkit fork just do the work to
>>> add it to the package repository yourself.
>>>
>>> stop complaining or begging for other people to do it.
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