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[185.70.40.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t84si61685wmt.2.2018.12.22.06.15.24 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Dec 2018 06:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sam.schmalzried@protonmail.com designates 185.70.40.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.70.40.18; Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2018 14:15:22 +0000 To: voidlinux From: "'Sam Schmalzried' via voidlinux" Reply-To: Sam Schmalzried Subject: Re: how do you install brave browser in void? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <2559cce4-8658-426d-a965-b45c6423892e@googlegroups.com> <87efabm2r7.fsf@vuxu.org> <574cb087-58c9-42b9-8b39-228d6e6c1a21@googlegroups.com> Feedback-ID: zTPd3Optm3VYVrQGofxuzMlZqKjRkAGBxAoJ96HwWmlJN15zgrt24xol1BwM8rL1x9w7DsLGToIVehpYcmXr0Q==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="b1_9e5d99fa0e86c2e108fb54ab25b0ca95" X-Original-Sender: sam.schmalzried@protonmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@protonmail.com header.s=default header.b=KVZNqiaR; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sam.schmalzried@protonmail.com designates 185.70.40.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=sam.schmalzried@protonmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=QUARANTINE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=protonmail.com X-Original-From: Sam Schmalzried Precedence: list Mailing-list: list voidlinux@googlegroups.com; contact voidlinux+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 289663804196 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --b1_9e5d99fa0e86c2e108fb54ab25b0ca95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm fairly certain that he was referring to you saying he was complaining a= nd begging for someone else to do it for him when he called you nasty, hiro= . I agree that his response was a little more personal than it should have = been, but I think he's getting frustrated by Void and probably Linux in gen= eral. After his last two emails (which both got really bad really fast) I think i= t's safe to say that he's no longer interested in Void. With that said, I h= ave no clue how this Google Group is supposed to work with reply and reply-= all. It seems that replying simply goes to the original sender while reply-= all CCs them, with no default way to reply to the group directly. Does anyo= ne more experienced with this have tips? Last, hiro: Mozilla isn't just funded by Google anymore. Google doesn't tel= l them how to implement anything, in fact I'm pretty sure that Google still= uses some of the standards Mozilla put into place years ago. I'd much use = Firefox than Chrome, and the alternatives to those two don't seem to have m= uch support. -------- Original Message -------- On Dec 22, 2018, 4:56 AM, hiro wrote: >>As for people being nasty, there's a lot of people on the mailing list wh= o are simple users and not devs for the project, myself included. > > yep. i don't know why Smo needs to use personal attacks like calling > me "nasty". i'm just telling my personal opinion as a user of this > mailing list, i have no other affiliation to the voidlinux project. > > Smo's his first mail made me wonder if he's trying to pressure the > project into providing him services for free, by making it seem like > voidlinux would otherwise lose tons of potentially important users > (like him?). > > the rest of the mail is a little rant about web browsers, so skip if > you don't like the topic: > > mozilla is financed by google, who would like to make you believe (now > more than ever, with microsoft pulling out of it's own web engine) > there is an alternative to google's monopoly over the web standards. > > mozilla will continue to implement whatever standards google declares. > additionally it makes sense they've been using the ad revenue money > they received from google to market their browser as something > ethically superior. google would demand this. they clearly wouldn't > want to risk any painful anti-monopoly policies by any governments. > > originally being about presentation, the web is now much more, e.g. a > distributed computing framework to enable a load of commercial > interests that happen to coincide with the consumption of digital and > material products. > > it was never supposed to focus strongly on privacy, anonymity or > security in any form, and it is harder than ever to protect against > the many - by-design - data-leaking channels, that only get more > plentyful with rising complexity. > > mozilla will not, and does not want to, change that. > > On 12/22/18, 'Sam Schmalzried' via voidlinux = wrote: >> On the topic of adding software to the Void repos, you can find some pre= tty >> comprehensive instructions here: https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Xbps-src. On= ce >> you get Brave working on your own machine, you can follow those instruct= ions >> and it will at least be included in the xbps-src repo which is the easie= st >> way to add software to the project. >> >> As for people being nasty, there's a lot of people on the mailing list w= ho >> are simple users and not devs for the project, myself included. >> >> Last, in response to hiro: what's wrong with Firefox and FF-based browse= rs? >> Last I checked Mozilla is pretty committed to open source, and what litt= le >> information collection they have enabled is easy enough to opt out of. >> >> Sam Schmalzried >> >> =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original= Message =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 >> On Friday, December 21, 2018 4:13 PM, Smo Oey wrot= e: >> >>> I ain't complaining that it's not added, you don't gotta get nasty. I >>> don't know how to add all that stuff and didn't think any random users >>> could mess with the voidlinux repos or whatever. If that's how "Devs" a= ct >>> or treat general users or whatever, then forget Void. Don't need this s= hit >>> from anyone. >>> >>> On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 4:38:58 PM UTC-5, hiro neu wrote: >>> >>>> even though i agree that webkit and firefox based browsers should be >>>> dropped for privacy reasons, people are obviously providing all kinds >>>> of horrible popular packages without asking me. >>>> >>>> if you also want to provide a horrible webkit fork just do the work to >>>> add it to the package repository yourself. >>>> >>>> stop complaining or begging for other people to do it. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "voidlinux" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send = an >>> email to voidlinux+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to voidlinux@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> [https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/voidlinux/574cb087-58c9-42b9-8b39-22= 8d6e6c1a21%40googlegroups.com](https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/voidlinux/= 574cb087-58c9-42b9-8b39-228d6e6c1a21%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&= utm_source=3Dfooter). >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "voidlinux" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to voidlinux+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to voidlinux@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/voidlinux/zBh3l9uE5YYbR4ccFOMhnC5cWzfl= dL6InQFVaXqDrb8KNEkAed1b1Mysn9GUNJVHDeO5IEW3S4nYml4AdYWWaoyydj7Cj5_gXNa_jAk= 26iM%3D%40protonmail.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "voidlinux" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to voidlinux+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to voidlinux@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/voidlinux/CAFSF3XM6gU2wwq%3DOpUVQ0TEWbOFbgMO7VzMzCkKLOpjs%3D53XDQ%40mail.= gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= voidlinux" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to voidlinux+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to voidlinux@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= voidlinux/gp4CdyOSAyMi4cTrbAQvc3YGIKxpIfqFTnfZg-d_nhTmMX1-5mDFgqYx_mmG2RFRF= dTzqtJvgnwkWyLUQCUYTtQLUeOxsKQuT3C5QkmFxRk%3D%40protonmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --b1_9e5d99fa0e86c2e108fb54ab25b0ca95 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm fairly certain that he was referring to you saying he was complaining a= nd begging for someone else to do it for him when he called you nasty, hiro= . I agree that his response was a little more personal than it should have= been, but I think he's getting frustrated by Void and probably Linux in ge= neral.

After his last two emails (which both got really bad really f= ast) I think it's safe to say that he's no longer interested in Void. With= that said, I have no clue how this Google Group is supposed to work with r= eply and reply-all. It seems that replying simply goes to the original sen= der while reply-all CCs them, with no default way to reply to the group dir= ectly. Does anyone more experienced with this have tips?

Last, hiro= : Mozilla isn't just funded by Google anymore. Google doesn't tell them ho= w to implement anything, in fact I'm pretty sure that Google still uses som= e of the standards Mozilla put into place years ago. I'd much use Firefox t= han Chrome, and the alternatives to those two don't seem to have much suppo= rt.


-------- Original Message --------
On Dec 22, 2018, 4:56= AM, hiro < 23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
=

>As for people being nasty, there's a lot of people o= n the mailing list who are simple users and not devs for the project, mysel= f included.

yep. i don't know why Smo needs to use personal attacks like= calling
me "nasty". i'm just telling my personal opinion as a user of this
mailing list, i have no other affiliation to the voidlinux project.

Smo's his first mail made me wonder if he's trying to pressu= re the
project into providing him services for free, by making it seem like
voidlinux would otherwise lose tons of potentially important users
(like him?).

the rest of the mail is a little rant about web browsers, so= skip if
you don't like the topic:

mozilla is financed by google, who would like to make you be= lieve (now
more than ever, with microsoft pulling out of it's own web engine)
there is an alternative to google's monopoly over the web standards.

mozilla will continue to implement whatever standards google= declares.
additionally it makes sense they've been using the ad revenue money
they received from google to market their browser as something
ethically superior. google would demand this. they clearly wouldn't
want to risk any painful anti-monopoly policies by any governments.

originally being about presentation, the web is now much mor= e, e.g. a
distributed computing framework to enable a load of commercial
interests that happen to coincide with the consumption of digital and
material products.

it was never supposed to focus strongly on privacy, anonymit= y or
security in any form, and it is harder than ever to protect against
the many - by-design - data-leaking channels, that only get more
plentyful with rising complexity.

mozilla will not, and does not want to, change that.

On 12/22/18, 'Sam Schmalzried' via voidlinux <voidlinux@googlegroups.com> wrote= :
> On the topic of adding software to the Void repos, you can find some p= retty
> comprehensive instructions here: https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Xbps-src. Once
> you get Brave working on your own machine, you can follow those instru= ctions
> and it will at least be included in the xbps-src repo which is the eas= iest
> way to add software to the project.
>
> As for people being nasty, there's a lot of people on the mailing list= who
> are simple users and not devs for the project, myself included.
>
> Last, in response to hiro: what's wrong with Firefox and FF-based brow= sers?
> Last I checked Mozilla is pretty committed to open source, and what li= ttle
> information collection they have enabled is easy enough to opt out of.=
>
> Sam Schmalzried
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message = 208;‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Friday, December 21, 2018 4:13 PM, Smo Oey <smooeycom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I ain't complaining that it's not added, you don't gotta get nasty= . I
>> don't know how to add all that stuff and didn't think any random u= sers
>> could mess with the voidlinux repos or whatever. If that's how "De= vs" act
>> or treat general users or whatever, then forget Void. Don't need t= his shit
>> from anyone.
>>
>> On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 4:38:58 PM UTC-5, hiro neu wrote:<= br> >>
>>> even though i agree that webkit and firefox based browsers sho= uld be
>>> dropped for privacy reasons, people are obviously providing al= l kinds
>>> of horrible popular packages without asking me.
>>>
>>> if you also want to provide a horrible webkit fork just do the= work to
>>> add it to the package repository yourself.
>>>
>>> stop complaining or begging for other people to do it.
>>
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