From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF12BC433E0 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2021 02:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.zx2c4.com (lists.zx2c4.com [165.227.139.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4E1223998 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2021 02:35:53 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org D4E1223998 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=reject dis=none) header.from=53c70r.de Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=wireguard-bounces@lists.zx2c4.com Received: by lists.zx2c4.com (ZX2C4 Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4b6cbdb6; Sat, 9 Jan 2021 02:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 53c70r.de (53c70r.de [45.142.177.54]) by lists.zx2c4.com (ZX2C4 Mail Server) with ESMTPS id 23433374 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2021 02:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Wireguard not available for CentOS Stream DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 53c70r.de 2AEF7421409 To: Jonathan Aquilina References: <176cafeade8.27b6.fd5e59abeac6319e4fe4e8192ea7d08d@solidadmin.com> Cc: wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com From: Silvan Nagl Message-ID: <64e80310-cbb6-d972-6257-bfba53eea52e@53c70r.de> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 10:32:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30rc1 Precedence: list List-Id: Development discussion of WireGuard List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wireguard-bounces@lists.zx2c4.com Sender: "WireGuard" I'm kinda amazed by Fedora Server at this point. +1 for recommendation. On 1/5/21 12:25 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Hi, > > Is Fedora a rolling release so to speak? I remember they used to call fedora the bleeding edge distro not really geared for production environments is that still accurate. I have only used it as a work station desktop with KDE installed. > > Regards, > Jonathan > > -----Original Message----- > From: WireGuard On Behalf Of Jeffrey Walton > Sent: 04 January 2021 22:55 > To: Jason A. Donenfeld > Cc: WireGuard mailing list > Subject: Re: Wireguard not available for CentOS Stream > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 7:48 AM Jason A. Donenfeld wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:24 AM Joe Doss wrote: >>> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jdoss/wireguard/ >>> >>> The official DKMS install method for CentOS has a Stream repo >>> enabled. It should work fine. Let us know if you have any issues. >> It's actually presently broken. I've fixed it in the master branch with: >> https://git.zx2c4.com/wireguard-linux-compat/commit/?id=f7f55464a156e1 >> 181fa76d9c7e2fc0d495f2357e >> >> But Red Hat still has not fixed other bugs that will enable our CI to >> continue, and I won't release for RHEL alone until the CI is green. >> You can cherry pick that into your dkms package if you need. I wrote >> Red Hat a patch and sent it, but there's been no updated kernel yet. >> >> More generally, I'm on the fence about how much I actually want to >> support CentOS Stream. CentOS non-Stream is annoying, because it's >> developed behind closed doors and is extremely slow to fix things, but >> at least the changes are gradual and it's easy to keep up with, by >> virtue of rarely changing. In contrast, CentOS Stream is fast moving, >> and extremely unstable, with builds frequently breaking. This would be >> fine and I would prefer it, since it means we can in theory get things >> fixed reasonably fast, but actually, Stream is still developed behind >> closed doors, with no visibility about what's going on, no >> communication from RH on when fixes are coming out, no regular or >> reliable release schedule, no releases for months sometimes, and just >> a bugzilla blackbox that forces all reports to be private/secret. So, >> unstable+secretive development makes developing for CentOS Stream >> nearly as fun as developing for macOS, which is to say, not very fun. > From an admin and developer perspective I find Fedora Server a real gem. Speaking from experience, I would much rather work on Fedora than CentOS or Red Hat. Fedora Server comes with the latest stable tools and does not need things like Software Collections (SCL) to get a modern Apache, Python or PHP. > > Every year or so Fedora Server needs a DNF System Upgrade (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/), > which is like a Ubuntu dist-upgrade. I've not had one go bad since I started using it back around F12 or F15. > > If Wireguard needs to make a Red Hat-family recommendation, I think it would be wise to consider Fedora Server. > > Jeff