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To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" Cc: Andrew Fried , WireGuard mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30rc1 Precedence: list List-Id: Development discussion of WireGuard List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wireguard-bounces@lists.zx2c4.com Sender: "WireGuard" Take a look here https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide Would seem to suggest Windows 7 is in decline but still represents around 25% of OS footprint out there. On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 at 09:39, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:29 AM Andrew Fried wrote: > > > > We recently began deploying clusters of recursive DNS "firewalls" that > > use wireguard to secure and authenticate all traffic between the client > > and servers. What we quickly learned was that virtually the entire > > customer base in India uses Windows 7 almost exclusively. > > > > I can certainly understand the desire to streamline development and > > focus on current versions of client operating systems, but by > > deprecating support for Windows 7 you would be reducing the number of > > potential Wireguard deployments by hundreds of millions of users, > > particularly in Asian and underpopulated communities in Africa. Most of > > the end users there simply can't afford the cost of updating to the > > latest version of Windows. I personally wish this were not the case, > > but it is what it is. > > Thanks for that info. This is by far the most compelling point brought > up so far and is one likely to keep us supporting Windows 7 for some > time. I assume your deployment to those parts of the world is quite > large? > > Are there any websites or other sources you used to find these > statistics about usage per region? It sounds like that'd be useful to > look at. > > Jason -- Use this contact page to send me encrypted messages and files https://flowcrypt.com/me/phillipmcmahon P.S. Drowning in email? Try SaneBox and take back control: http://sanebox.com/t/old3m. I love it.