From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C865BC2D0A3 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from krantz.zx2c4.com (krantz.zx2c4.com [192.95.5.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEAF320825 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=zx2c4.com header.i=@zx2c4.com header.b="wYzWKg02" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org BEAF320825 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zx2c4.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=wireguard-bounces@lists.zx2c4.com Received: by krantz.zx2c4.com (ZX2C4 Mail Server) with ESMTP id 641bc0df; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.zx2c4.com (mail.zx2c4.com [192.95.5.64]) by krantz.zx2c4.com (ZX2C4 Mail Server) with ESMTPS id ff463c48 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.zx2c4.com (ZX2C4 Mail Server) with ESMTP id f0c6b606 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:35:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=zx2c4.com; h=mime-version :references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-type; s=mail; bh=V5RtEGK53hcX5t0vLlt+s3BudYs=; b=wYzWKg 02tGXc+2PbnkMDY+ZEC94liLRRhYLdwsVd/Uyy8+sSXx5CJuGlbjQCV7XwC54mB3 NJKivT8bWXNBXhHjDu+W9pV8tCfvS5gnfirbZ3zNeg7pyoChZUpxX6U/aO3+2rYI GSvBKqZLcxJ6gTI3XEM1/GfVXe+nGZ663wgMn40TOtXIihV7IGaL6k929Z6BKzML a2kYSQm5fO3v524FqNNRskKKnd5MrwdwmjRomdpyaGwOUmfLQsqCCrsTYdpyhAHi DJYyGHc2xRPvjKvaANBFb6nHvWh4Z11VM37KnEKQpBdPvRudjDHec2oB1K4fTe2y 0Wx3RDYH4YxinnaA== Received: by mail.zx2c4.com (ZX2C4 Mail Server) with ESMTPSA id 44978c14 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-f171.google.com with SMTP id s8so4546011yba.13 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 00:38:39 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530AiFudt68+wqi9C+BV0fgzvGv0peeuBDXGjQDnXBU9tsupbFlN F00joVQUv8y9JOiOiwl9++E3Ya40nJubelcJsw8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyAyY3TXh+l0WxLyaBEiLLyC9xFxsGK+92amE6LjO3rvzw7lfSnAFXqY4vtFAXHctUvk/hteGZjFL73UXxdb1Q= X-Received: by 2002:a25:df05:: with SMTP id w5mr43071066ybg.20.1605170319133; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 00:38:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:38:28 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Should we sunset Windows 7 support? To: Andrew Fried Cc: WireGuard mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30rc1 Precedence: list List-Id: Development discussion of WireGuard List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wireguard-bounces@lists.zx2c4.com Sender: "WireGuard" Hi Andrew, On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:29 AM Andrew Fried wrote: > > We recently began deploying clusters of recursive DNS "firewalls" that > use wireguard to secure and authenticate all traffic between the client > and servers. What we quickly learned was that virtually the entire > customer base in India uses Windows 7 almost exclusively. > > I can certainly understand the desire to streamline development and > focus on current versions of client operating systems, but by > deprecating support for Windows 7 you would be reducing the number of > potential Wireguard deployments by hundreds of millions of users, > particularly in Asian and underpopulated communities in Africa. Most of > the end users there simply can't afford the cost of updating to the > latest version of Windows. I personally wish this were not the case, > but it is what it is. Thanks for that info. This is by far the most compelling point brought up so far and is one likely to keep us supporting Windows 7 for some time. I assume your deployment to those parts of the world is quite large? Are there any websites or other sources you used to find these statistics about usage per region? It sounds like that'd be useful to look at. Jason