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From: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: "Kalesh Singh" <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
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	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove CONFIG_ANDROID
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:12:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANDhNCrcEBUUNevNyZp2qttqWssWBEcXMZ5nPO0Ntk7Vszd3bQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yr11fp13yMRiEphS@zx2c4.com>

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 3:06 AM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 09:25:32PM -0700, Kalesh Singh wrote:
> > Two concerns John raised:
> >   1) Adding new ABI we need to maintain
> >   2) Having unclear config options
> >
> > Another idea, I think, is to add the Kconfig option as
> > CONFIG_SUSPEND_SKIP_RNG_RESEED? Similar to existing
> > CONFIG_SUSPEND_SKIP_SYNC and I think it would address those concerns.
>
> I mentioned in my reply to him that this doesn't really work for me:
>
> | As a general rule, I don't expose knobs like that in wireguard /itself/,
> | but wireguard has no problem with adapting to whatever machine properties
> | it finds itself on. And besides, this *is* a very definite device
> | property, something really particular and peculiar about the machine
> | the kernel is running on. It's a concrete thing that the kernel should
> | know about. So let's go with your "very clear description idea", above,
> | instead.
>
> IOW, we're not going to add a tunable on every possible place this is
> used.

Hrm. Can you explain a bit more on why you're particularly adamant
against scoping the config to describe the behavior we want from the
kernel rather than describing a "machine property"?  As personally, I
greatly prefer Kalesh's suggestion (as it avoids the same critique one
could make of the CONFIG_ANDROID "flag"), but admittedly this is
bikeshed territory.

Does this preference come out of the too-many-options-in-gpg
antipattern? Or is there something else?


> Anyway if you don't want a runtime switch, make a compiletime switch
> called CONFIG_PM_CONTINUOUS_RAPID_AUTOSLEEPING or whatever, write some
> very discouraging help text, and call it a day. And this way you don't
> have to worry about ABI and we can change this later on and do the whole
> thing as a no-big-deal change that somebody can tweak later without
> issue.

Yeah, this is ok with me, as I don't see much benefit to creating a
userland ABI, as I don't think at this point we expect the behavior to
shift or oscillate at runtime.

thanks
-john

  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-30 17:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-29 15:01 Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29 15:01 ` [PATCH] " Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29 15:27   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-06-29 16:07   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-06-29 16:09   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 16:10     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29 16:13       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 16:15         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29 16:25           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 16:30             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29 16:38               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 16:45                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29 16:52                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 17:00                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-06-29 17:10                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 17:19                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-06-29 17:30                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 17:35                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29 17:42                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 18:59                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-06-29 16:56                   ` Steven Rostedt
2022-06-29 17:19                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 17:34                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 19:05                   ` Kalesh Singh
2022-06-29 19:41                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-06-29 20:47                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 22:26                       ` Kalesh Singh
2022-06-29 23:02                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 23:19                           ` Kalesh Singh
2022-06-30  0:36                             ` Joe Perches
2022-06-30  0:50                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-30  1:44                                 ` Joe Perches
2022-06-30  3:02                                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 23:52                           ` John Stultz
2022-06-30  0:24                             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-30  0:30                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-30  4:25                                 ` Kalesh Singh
2022-06-30 10:05                                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-30 17:12                                     ` John Stultz [this message]
2022-06-30 17:24                                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-07-01 20:22                               ` Jonathan Corbet
2022-07-01 20:53                                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 16:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-06-29 16:37             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-29 16:45               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-29 17:04                 ` Paul E. McKenney

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