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From: Daniel Golle <daniel@makrotopia.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: WireGuard mailing list <wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com>
Subject: Re: passing-through TOS/DSCP marking
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 21:26:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YMpPnKhUuTHNU1Q0@makrotopia.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9omR=NXkJj-AJviWhcDDY=X9vQbLxn5WbeamUGhVWHhJw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jason,

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 06:28:12PM +0200, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> WireGuard does not copy the inner DSCP mark to the outside, aside from
> the ECN bits, in order to avoid a data leak.

That's a very valid argument.

However, from my experience now, Wireguard is not suitable for VoIP/RTP
data (minimize-delay) being sent through the same tunnel as TCP bulk
(maximize-throughput) traffic in bandwidth constraint and/or high-latency
environments, as that ruins the VoIP calls to the degree of not being
understandable. ECN helps quite a bit when it comes to avoid packet drops
for TCP traffic, but that's not enough to avoid high jitter and drops for
RTP/UDP traffic at the same time.

I thought about ways to improve that and wonder what you would suggest.
My ideas are:
 * have different tunnels depending on inner DSCP bits and mark them
   accordingly on the outside.
   => we already got multiple tunnels and that would double the number.

 * mark outer packets with DSCP bits based on their size.
   VoIP RTP/UDP packets are typically "medium sized" while TCP packets
   typically max out the MTU.
   => we would not leak information, but that assumption may not always
      be true

 * patch wireguard kernel code to allow preserving inner DSCP bits.
   => even only having 2 differentl classes of traffic (critical vs.
      bulk) would already help a lot...


What do you think? Any other ideas?


Cheers


Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-16 22:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-16 13:24 Daniel Golle
2021-06-16 16:28 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2021-06-16 19:26   ` Daniel Golle [this message]
2021-06-16 23:33     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-06-17  7:55       ` Florent Daigniere
2021-06-17  9:41         ` Daniel Golle
2021-06-17 12:24           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
     [not found]             ` <CAMaqUZ09KRtp01OK3u-Di52X_kH9eT4E-wmnPc6QzjSCd5dEiw@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-17 20:54               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-06-17 23:04             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-06-18 12:24               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2021-06-21 12:36                 ` Daniel Golle
2021-06-21 14:27                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-06-30 17:23                     ` Daniel Golle
2021-06-30 20:55                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-07-04 14:15                         ` Daniel Golle
2021-07-05 15:21                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-07-05 16:05                             ` Daniel Golle
2021-07-05 16:59                               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-07-05 17:26                                 ` Daniel Golle
2021-07-05 21:20                                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-07-06  7:00   ` Florent Daigniere
2021-07-06 20:08     ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca

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