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boundary="------------7JTql1Ps3IMD6KqbGM9iUWJ0" Message-id: <01caa44b-18a4-4d44-a863-5248e7b7413f@eastlink.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 07:04:14 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_ls_*=2Emp4_=E2=86=92_ls_=3A_invalid_option_--_=27M?= =?UTF-8?Q?=27?= Content-language: en-US To: zsh-users@zsh.org References: <875y3bvtos.fsf@example.com> <1312746524.945376.1697209990281@mail.virginmedia.com> <179314f9-333c-4baa-9dab-6fa397ab2f64@eastlink.ca> <17fae209-0f7f-4738-9e2c-e9392f2e6843@eastlink.ca> From: Ray Andrews In-reply-to: X-Seq: 29303 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7JTql1Ps3IMD6KqbGM9iUWJ0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2023-10-16 20:49, Bart Schaefer wrote: > On the other had we have plenty of people requesting that completions > offer either more, or more contextually specific, matches. Isn't that a different issue?  One can't have too much control. > Those > people certainly want assistance rather than imperatives, Pardon?  How do the two conflict? > and the > EDITOR/VISUAL checks have never prevented anyone from being explicit > instead. True, it's a  philosophical thing, but the majority commented that they found it either confusing or even confounding.  I favor things like that having one point of control which is an explicit imperative: bindkey -vi I tell the shell what I want.  No guessing, no wondering, no conflicts.  Personal thing of course, but I myself consider simplicity to be a very strong value.  I'd even go as far as calling the EDITOR thing a bug.  Complexity that adds power is one thing, but complexity that just adds lines of code while offering zero improvement in control is another.  I'm probably a bit of an extremist in this tho. --------------7JTql1Ps3IMD6KqbGM9iUWJ0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


On 2023-10-16 20:49, Bart Schaefer wrote:
On the other had we have plenty of people requesting that completions
offer either more, or more contextually specific, matches.
Isn't that a different issue?  One can't have too much control.
  Those
people certainly want assistance rather than imperatives,
Pardon?  How do the two conflict?  
 and the
EDITOR/VISUAL checks have never prevented anyone from being explicit
instead.

True, it's a  philosophical thing, but the majority commented that they found it either confusing or even confounding.  I favor things like that having one point of control which is an explicit imperative:

bindkey -vi

I tell the shell what I want.  No guessing, no wondering, no conflicts.  Personal thing of course, but I myself consider simplicity to be a very strong value.  I'd even go as far as calling the EDITOR thing a bug.  Complexity that adds power is one thing, but complexity that just adds lines of code while offering zero improvement in control is another.  I'm probably a bit of an extremist in this tho.



    

  


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