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Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.6.0 Subject: Re: path PATH Content-language: en-US To: zsh-users@zsh.org References: <0dc71450-d082-93da-52f8-d4e6b97199af@eastlink.ca> <3ea702de-f818-adbb-c55b-e585f8deb10f@eastlink.ca> <1a232406-ad76-b661-496b-974ddf8e67fe@ckhb.org> <8f626e62-312f-06fa-d073-5910d1aba3ad@eastlink.ca> <4993b3f3-3b71-fb80-fd60-3e72170989f2@eastlink.ca> <562e5e2d-44ff-0402-61ff-b621edecf116@eastlink.ca> <1898f1f5-9d67-c832-c145-ee02690f4bd2@eastlink.ca> <102004bd-c372-44c8-9a55-afc298e7c987@app.fastmail.com> <7d104cf5-83a7-2e6d-5696-8d0e613f67bd@eastlink.ca> <86e60311-983b-63b2-235e-64b3294f9415@eastlink.ca> From: Ray Andrews In-reply-to: <86e60311-983b-63b2-235e-64b3294f9415@eastlink.ca> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Seq: 28859 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On 2023-01-30 06:40, Ray Andrews wrote: > > > ... so at least you see the attributes correctly ( I should use the > 'real' single letters that typeset uses) even if you are still > forbidden to see the value.  It's a design decision of course, but > IMHO every locked door has a key, every constitution can be amended > and every var should be viewable and editable even if (in this case) > only by explicit exception.  Is there really no way at all to see the > value of a hideval?  Surely there is. > > > > > 1 /aWorking/Zsh/Source/Wk 0 $ typeset -Hi zzz=123 > > 1 /aWorking/Zsh/Source/Wk 0 $ typeset -p zzz > typeset -i zzz > > 1 /aWorking/Zsh/Source/Wk 0 $ typeset +H zzz > > 1 /aWorking/Zsh/Source/Wk 0 $ typeset -p zzz > typeset -i zzz=123 > > 1 /aWorking/Zsh/Source/Wk 0 $ typeset -Hi zzz=456 > > 1 /aWorking/Zsh/Source/Wk 0 $ typeset -p zzz > typeset -i zzz > > 1 /aWorking/Zsh/Source/Wk 0 $ typeset +H zzz > > 1 /aWorking/Zsh/Source/Wk 0 $ typeset -p zzz > typeset -i zzz=456 > > ... it seems like a whole lot of trouble.