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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: zsh-users@zsh.org
Subject: Re: autoload
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:17:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <150921111746.ZM388@torch.brasslantern.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5600386E.7060201@eastlink.ca>

On Sep 21, 10:03am, Ray Andrews wrote:
} Subject: Re: autoload
}
} On 09/20/2015 09:18 PM, Bart Schaefer wrote:
} > Because the language is
} > interpreted, the shell itself can't decompose a file into individual
} > function entry points the way e.g. a linker can for a shared object.
} 
} Really? That's hard to fathom. I source a file and it finds whatever
} functions may be in there, but they can't be packed into a .zwc file
} without worrying about it's name?

Did you miss the email where I explained how to do that?

} I'd have thought it would be as transparent as:
} 
} zcompile --do_it  /not-the-same-directory-dummy\!/Source.zwc 
} /aWorking/Zsh/Source/*

Really think about "because the language is interpreted."

Suppose I have

    typeset some_critical_var_used_by_foo_and_bar=really_important_value

    foo() { ... }
    bar() { ... }

Now I want to compile this.  Sure, the shell could dump out foo and bar,
but where does it put that typeset?  Does it evaluate the assignment at
compile time?  (A C compiler would, but that's typically the wrong
semantics for a shell.)

What if really_important_value absolutely must only be interpreted once,
not each time foo and bar are individually loaded?

What if the names "foo" and "bar" are actually stored in other variables?

    function $foo { ... }

What if there's an "if" structure?

    if some_runtime_test
    then
	foo() { ... }
	bar() { ... }
    else
        bar() { ... }
	foo() { ... }
    fi

What if there's a runtime test with that crucial typeset INSIDE the test?

I can make up an infinite number of increasingly convoluted cases to
break any "simple, elegant" automation.  So unless you happen to have
"zmodload zsh/artificial-intellgence" lying around ready for use, I'm
done with this discussion.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-21 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-17 15:54 autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-17 17:34 ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-17 19:22   ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-17 20:40     ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-17 23:06       ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-17 23:20         ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-18  1:20           ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-18  4:04             ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-18  5:00               ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-18  5:52                 ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-18 15:49                   ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-18 16:52                     ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-18 18:29                       ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-18 19:02                         ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-18 22:57                           ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-19  0:14   ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-19 15:04     ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-19 16:29       ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-19 18:13         ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-19 21:22           ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-19 22:12             ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-20  5:53               ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-20 15:37                 ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-20 15:59                   ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-20  0:58             ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-20  5:41               ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-20 23:21                 ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-21  4:18                   ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-21 17:03                     ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-21 18:17                       ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2015-09-21 20:09                         ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-22  3:19                           ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-22 17:33                             ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-23  4:39                               ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-23 15:06                                 ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-29 23:16                             ` wheels within wheels Ray Andrews
2015-09-30  2:55                               ` Kurtis Rader
2015-09-30  3:24                                 ` Ray Andrews
2015-09-30  3:40                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2015-09-30  4:03                                   ` Mikael Magnusson
2015-09-30  4:15                                   ` Ray Andrews
2015-09-30  7:05                                     ` Bart Schaefer
2015-09-30 15:06                                       ` Ray Andrews
2015-09-30  8:01                                     ` ZyX
2015-09-30 15:18                                       ` Ray Andrews
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-09-08 12:32 Announce of Zsh Navigation Tools Sebastian Gniazdowski
2015-09-12 17:50 ` Ray Andrews
2015-09-12 19:41   ` ZyX
2015-09-12 21:03     ` Ray Andrews
2015-09-12 22:10       ` Bart Schaefer
2015-09-12 23:03         ` Ray Andrews
2015-09-12 23:43           ` Bart Schaefer
2015-09-14  2:14             ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-14  2:38               ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-14  3:34                 ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-14 20:21                   ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-15  2:48                     ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-15  3:48                       ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2015-09-15 16:18                         ` autoload Ray Andrews
2015-09-16  4:09                         ` autoload Ray Andrews
2014-12-23 15:51 autoload Ray Andrews
2014-12-23 17:36 ` autoload Bart Schaefer
2014-12-23 18:19   ` autoload Ray Andrews

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