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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: zsh-users@zsh.org
Subject: Re: Next release (5.3)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:35:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <160713093535.ZM21109@torch.brasslantern.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160713105910.2b33701c@pwslap01u.europe.root.pri>

On Jul 13, 10:59am, Peter Stephenson wrote:
}
} Here's a script that's broken by the change.

Here's a question:  Of what significance is the use of :A in this case,
as opposed to :a ?  That is, why use :A at all here?  Can you come up
with an example where :a and :A differ that would still be broken by
the change?


} # No CHASE_*.
} emulate zsh
} 
} # We know :A resolves using the same rules as directory changing,
} # so use that.
} resolved=($file(:A))
} print "\nUsing $file with :A => $resolved"
} cat $resolved

I don't want this discussion to become circular, but don't the comments
there imply that what's desired/intended is for :A to respect CHASE_*?

(That's still different from what Daniel originally suggested, because
he wants the default to act like CHASE_LINKS, but at least it's been
touched upon in the -workers side of this discussion.)

If I were going to re-design this from scratch, I think I'd aim for a
parallel with "cd -L" and "cd -P", and thus

    $var:L	- like current :a, never chase links
    $var:P	- like Daniel's :A, always chase links
    $var:A	- one of the above, depending on CHASE_LINKS

(and never have :a in the first place).  Incidentally, outside of an
actual "cd" there's no point to examining CHASE_DOTS.

Given where we are right now, adding :P and shrugging our shoulders 
about :a and :A seems the most reasonable escape hatch.  Plus adding
a bit to the :A documentation, perhaps.  I suppose we could also make
:L a synonym for :a just for mnemonic.


  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-13 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-05  4:57 realpath(3), symlinks, '..' components, and the ':A' word modifier Daniel Shahaf
2016-07-05 12:54 ` Roland Eggner
2016-07-05 13:24 ` Vadim Zeitlin
2016-07-06 15:15   ` Filipe
     [not found] ` <20160705125430.GA29959__3886.85245202414$1467723835$gmane$org@mobil.systemanalysen.net>
2016-07-07  2:00   ` Daniel Shahaf
2016-07-07 17:20     ` Bart Schaefer
     [not found]       ` <20160705093321.79d7c4bc@pwslap01u.europe.root.pri>
2016-07-12  7:58         ` Next release (5.3) Roman Neuhauser
2016-07-12 16:40           ` Bart Schaefer
2016-07-12 20:23             ` Oliver Kiddle
2016-07-13  2:56               ` Filipe Silva
2016-07-13  4:45                 ` Bart Schaefer
2016-07-13  5:09                   ` Filipe Silva
2016-07-13  9:32               ` Peter Stephenson
2016-07-13  9:59                 ` Peter Stephenson
2016-07-13 16:35                   ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2016-07-13 16:59                     ` Peter Stephenson
2016-07-13 17:50                       ` Bart Schaefer
     [not found]                 ` <20160713105910.2b33701c__17004.846657119$1468404086$gmane$org@pwslap01u.europe.root.pri>
2016-07-17 14:59                   ` Daniel Shahaf
     [not found]               ` <20160713103233.14bfd05a__26126.9551389434$1468402471$gmane$org@pwslap01u.europe.root.pri>
2016-07-17 14:59                 ` [PATCH] improve :A docs (was: Re: Next release (5.3)) Daniel Shahaf
     [not found]                 ` <20160717145931.GA4859__10178.6871244714$1468767679$gmane$org@tarsus.local2>
2016-07-20  6:54                   ` Daniel Shahaf
2016-07-13  7:41             ` Next release (5.3) Roman Neuhauser
2016-07-13 17:36               ` Bart Schaefer
2016-07-20 13:05             ` Vincent Lefevre
2016-07-20 14:00               ` Vincent Lefevre
2016-07-20 14:15                 ` Peter Stephenson
2016-07-20 14:19                   ` Peter Stephenson
     [not found]                 ` <20160720151517.6a833f2c__37436.2382958227$1469024822$gmane$org@pwslap01u.europe.root.pri>
2016-07-21  5:40                   ` Daniel Shahaf
2016-07-21  9:19                     ` Peter Stephenson
2016-07-21  3:50               ` Bart Schaefer
     [not found]           ` <160712094017.ZM17395__33553.1437922784$1468341719$gmane$org@torch.brasslantern.com>
2016-07-13  5:00             ` Daniel Shahaf
     [not found]       ` <20160712075849.GG1537__20664.8654224866$1468310440$gmane$org@isis.sigpipe.cz>
2016-07-13  5:01         ` Daniel Shahaf
2016-07-20 12:44       ` realpath(3), symlinks, '..' components, and the ':A' word modifier Vincent Lefevre

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