From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18567 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2023 00:51:51 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 23 Jan 2023 00:51:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id: Mime-Version:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID; bh=XlBXHejfzhuN769IMVbMZfdy9Ci6jIShos2RWERCAxg=; b=dU5F9BPTA+f4mjvr1YNTizrsY9 yX2kbgovCL2qSgG7TNN9N+Ei0xksKBAJRAI8STDa/Y4bVqM7ibGxWzHGMEGS/fcAv1O7Eu/bDMBun +vX/ivtgiHwRc5KrC6XaowjEO2mmYqJ1wRK38xwJhPDa69w75MbGvC2YoFRQzZZ9Kr5SGWvQz5omc iBk8MJ7eXMQdKQ/gMHjmBdBDUQXGguancWgRIk33sM/G/77b0LgyMKO+E7fqEJBrUZEzY72Yt0+fT tV9sBMBz6VqzZwd6A4wCte9lpeYjVu4EdFgTOYrHWfuNK1agPi2PqlKRF3sX/rIcLCDtaphmzomIK hqGMzeTQ==; Received: by zero.zsh.org with local id 1pJl3u-000DgE-AP; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 00:51:50 +0000 Received: by zero.zsh.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1pJl3I-000CyA-Dz; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 00:51:12 +0000 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id C456527C0054; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 19:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap48 ([10.202.2.98]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 19:51:10 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedruddujedgvdekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvfevufgtgfesthhqredtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepnfgr fihrvghntggvucggvghljoiiqhhuvgiiuceolhgrrhhrhihvseiishhhrdhorhhgqeenuc ggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeehgeeiudeigedvvdffvdegfeduudfgtedvtedttdefuddtjeev gfejgfevteehudenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfh hrohhmpehlrghrrhihvhdomhgvshhmthhprghuthhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidquddu hedukeejjedtgedqudduledvjeefkeehqdhlrghrrhihvheppeiishhhrdhorhhgsehfrg hsthhmrghilhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: iaa214773:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5DB6F31A0063; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 19:51:10 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-85-gd6d859e0cf-fm-20230116.001-gd6d859e0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <166e189c-6203-49e5-acf9-eea4893c50b2@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <0dc71450-d082-93da-52f8-d4e6b97199af@eastlink.ca> <3b93f68e-d090-15c0-c15e-a3d09d702f76@eastlink.ca> <07323898-9985-4e9f-8b54-c08fd8510fe8@app.fastmail.com> <08102bc6-b331-504f-fcd5-28fa3cdb0e2f@eastlink.ca> <02527b62-5c57-9489-d0c1-10f155145c0a@eastlink.ca> <9ddae7d0-a10f-444e-887f-035aec261f7a@app.fastmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 19:49:44 -0500 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Lawrence_Vel=C3=A1zquez?= To: "Ray Andrews" Cc: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: path PATH Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Seq: 28730 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Ray Andrews wrote: > On 2023-01-22 15:35, Lawrence Vel=C3=A1zquez wrote: >> >> It was not written to "fix" typeset -p; it was written to satisfy >> your idiosyncratic preferences. > Neither Bart nor Roman would indulge me if there was no merit at all t= o=20 > what I want. They are performing a kindness by giving you a tool that suits your personal tastes. Their generosity does not carry any broader implications about how the shell should or should not behave. > But in this case I'm right Proclaiming your righteousness ad nauseam is not persuasive, and you should stop doing it. > what's idiosyncratic=20 > about wanting full information about a parameter along with it's value= ?=C2=A0=20 > What's ever wrong with complete information? The shell already provides multiple methods of obtaining all this information. The fact that you don't like any of them does not mean that it needs to sprout a new one. Again, there's nothing wrong with that. One of the purposes of a shell is to empower users to construct their own tools. This is as it should be. >> This should absolutely not be done.=20 > > Why not?=C2=A0 Honest question.=C2=A0 DP can of course remain as a sta= nd-alone=20 > function, but what would harm if it were bolted in to typeset? Adding functionality always imposes a variety of costs, and typeset is already overly complex. The functionality you want to add is just a repackaged version of existing functionality, so it does not justify those costs. > I'm just wondering why other's shouldn't have it too. The zsh distribution is not the place to publish scripts written to scratch your itches. --=20 vq