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From: Chris Jepeway <jepeway@blasted-heath.com>
To: chet@po.CWRU.Edu
Cc: zsh-users@sunsite.dk, pws@csr.com
Subject: Re: ksh Emulation Not Clearing Envariables
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:38:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1D23F586-A38B-11D8-B3B9-000A95B34D8E@blasted-heath.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <040511192759.AA02456.SM@caleb.ins.cwru.edu>

>>> 	Variable assignments specified with special built-in utilities 
>>> remain
>>> 	in effect after the built-in completes; this shall not be the case
>>> 	with a regular built-in or other utility.
>>
>> Well...the variable assignment isn't occurring inside the function.
>> It's outside, put into the environment before the function is called.
>
> Did you actually read the spec?
Nope.  I read the excerpts you provided, in the belief that
you meant them to clearly support your statements.  Shoot me
for not catching that "[v]ariable assignments specified with
special built-in utilities" meant "variable assignments
preceding the command name."

> Maybe reading the `Simple Commands' section will convince you:
>
> 	If no command name results, variable assignments shall affect the
> 	current execution environment.  Otherwise, the variable assignments
> 	shall be exported for the execution environment of the command and
> 	shall not affect the current execution environment (except for special
> 	built-ins).
Yup, sure, that's pretty definitive.  What does it mean for

	X=one unset X

Nothing, I suppose.  unset will unset.  Never in a million years
would I have expected after

	X=one :

for X to persist, while after

	X=one true

X is unset.

I wonder what the original purpose was, here.  A "get out of jail
free card" that let code implementing the special built-ins slide?
These things (err, the SBIs) all look commands that *must* be 
implemented
as built-ins, so perhaps in some implementation(s) there weren't the 
hooks
to unset vars after they completed.  POSIX just codified it so 
pre-existing
implementations could remain compliant?

>>> Chet Ramey, ITS, CWRU    chet@po.cwru.edu    
>>> http://tiswww.tis.cwru.edu/~chet/
>> Me
> Chet Ramey, ITS, CWRU    chet@po.cwru.edu    
> http://tiswww.tis.cwru.edu/~chet/

Chris <jepeway@blasted-heath.com>.


      parent reply	other threads:[~2004-05-11 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-09  0:41 Chris Jepeway
2004-05-09 21:58 ` Bart Schaefer
2004-05-10 14:52   ` Peter Stephenson
2004-05-11 17:03     ` Chris Jepeway
2004-05-11 16:59   ` Chris Jepeway
2004-05-11 17:34     ` Peter Stephenson
     [not found]       ` <040511181944.AA29985.SM@caleb.ins.cwru.edu>
2004-05-11 18:44         ` Chris Jepeway
2004-05-11 20:22           ` Bart Schaefer
     [not found]           ` <040511192759.AA02456.SM@caleb.ins.cwru.edu>
2004-05-11 20:38             ` Chris Jepeway [this message]

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