* viruses (was Re: Meeting notice) [not found] <0H4V009M2HYBNA@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> @ 2002-11-01 4:59 ` Will Yardley 2002-11-01 13:13 ` Roman Neuhauser 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Will Yardley @ 2002-11-01 4:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users Appeal to whomever runs this list.... I know this has been hashed out repeatedly in the past, but this is getting ridiculous. While I like this list, the volume of spam / viruses I get from it exceeds the actual list traffic. Could you either a) Close the list to non-subscribers b) Use a confirmation system like TMDA for non-subscribers and / or moderate the list. c) Do some sort of filtering to reduce the number of viruses / spam messages that go through to the list. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: viruses (was Re: Meeting notice) 2002-11-01 4:59 ` viruses (was Re: Meeting notice) Will Yardley @ 2002-11-01 13:13 ` Roman Neuhauser 2002-11-01 13:31 ` Vincent Lefevre 2002-11-01 13:39 ` Borzenkov Andrey 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Roman Neuhauser @ 2002-11-01 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users # william@hq.newdream.net / 2002-10-31 20:59:36 -0800: > Appeal to whomever runs this list.... > > I know this has been hashed out repeatedly in the past, but this is > getting ridiculous. While I like this list, the volume of spam / viruses > I get from it exceeds the actual list traffic. through the list? i filter this list into its mailbox on the Delivered-To: header, so anything that goes to the list should end up in that mailbox, and i don't remember a single spam or virus getting in the folder. I don't use anything like SA, nor any AV, just a few maildrop rules... Hm, but they route quite a few emails to /dev/null, so that might be it: aol, juno, msn, yahoo, to name a few. -- If you cc me or take the list(s) out completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: viruses (was Re: Meeting notice) 2002-11-01 13:13 ` Roman Neuhauser @ 2002-11-01 13:31 ` Vincent Lefevre 2002-11-01 13:39 ` Borzenkov Andrey 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Vincent Lefevre @ 2002-11-01 13:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 14:13:09 +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > through the list? Yes, I get many viruses and spam messages via the zsh-users mailing-list. Most of them are now filtered (bounced for some of them). And I sometimes get a message from the mailing-list manager (to check whether my e-mail address is still valid) saying that some of the messages sent to me were bounced. -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.org> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/> - 100% validated (X)HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* RE: viruses (was Re: Meeting notice) 2002-11-01 13:13 ` Roman Neuhauser 2002-11-01 13:31 ` Vincent Lefevre @ 2002-11-01 13:39 ` Borzenkov Andrey 2002-11-01 17:45 ` Oliver Kiddle 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Borzenkov Andrey @ 2002-11-01 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Roman Neuhauser', zsh-users > # william@hq.newdream.net / 2002-10-31 20:59:36 -0800: > > Appeal to whomever runs this list.... > > > > I know this has been hashed out repeatedly in the past, but this is > > getting ridiculous. While I like this list, the volume of spam / viruses > > I get from it exceeds the actual list traffic. > > through the list? i filter this list into its mailbox on the > Delivered-To: header, so anything that goes to the list should end > up in that mailbox, and i don't remember a single spam or virus > getting in the folder. I don't use anything like SA, nor any AV, > just a few maildrop rules... Hm, but they route quite a few emails > to /dev/null, so that might be it: aol, juno, msn, yahoo, to name a > few. > Not everybody is using client that allows easy filtering. In any case, you still have to download message which means extra traffic and often extra cost. Unfortunately, zsh workers do not own list server in any way and IIRC list server maintainers have been quite unresponsive in the past. To workers: what about relocating lists to sourceforge? To my impression, lists hosted there do not suffer from spam so much. -andrey ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: viruses (was Re: Meeting notice) 2002-11-01 13:39 ` Borzenkov Andrey @ 2002-11-01 17:45 ` Oliver Kiddle 2002-11-01 17:57 ` Clint Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Oliver Kiddle @ 2002-11-01 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 1 Nov, Andrey wrote: > > Unfortunately, zsh workers do not own list server in any way and IIRC > list server maintainers have been quite unresponsive in the past. To > workers: what about relocating lists to sourceforge? To my impression, > lists hosted there do not suffer from spam so much. I got a reply from Karsten at Sunsite Denmark. He wrote: : To me directly? Well - I'm sorry if I have missed a mail - I get quite : a lot... : : I have removed the sunsite.auc.dk alternative. Not they only work on : sunsite.dk : : We can make the lists moderated, but I fear, that the : announce->users->workers will tricker tripple moderation. : : I will leave for the USA/philadelphia to attend LISA in 10 hours, so I : really would hate to make drastic changes right now, but I will be : happy to look into the matter when I return at tuesday 12th. : : We will also offer TMDA protected lists in short time - we are working : on the matters right now... Anyone know what `TMDA' stands for? Or `LISA' for that matter? I've confirmed that the auc.dk alternative now bounces which it does so remember that you can't use it any more. That'll cut out more than half the spam. I'd be in favour of some sort of automated spam filtering such as spamassassin with the rejected messages going to some address which a human can periodically check through and resend any false positives on from. I can do that unless somebody else is happy to. Roman Neuhauser wrote: | just a few maildrop rules... Hm, but they route quite a few emails | to /dev/null, so that might be it: aol, juno, msn, yahoo, to name Are other people blocking yahoo? If so I'll post under a different address. Oliver This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: viruses (was Re: Meeting notice) 2002-11-01 17:45 ` Oliver Kiddle @ 2002-11-01 17:57 ` Clint Adams 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Clint Adams @ 2002-11-01 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Oliver Kiddle; +Cc: zsh-users > Anyone know what `TMDA' stands for? Or `LISA' for that matter? http://tmda.net/ http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa02/ > I'd be in favour of some sort of automated spam filtering such as > spamassassin with the rejected messages going to some address which a > human can periodically check through and resend any false positives on > from. I can do that unless somebody else is happy to. I think even some MTA-level checks could be benficial; I get ezmlm bounce messages from the zsh lists because sendmail doesn't like the envelope headers of some spam. SpamAssassin is run on the Debian lists, to some positive effect as well. > Are other people blocking yahoo? If so I'll post under a different > address. People take all sorts of draconian measures which result in the loss of legitimate mail. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2002-11-01 17:59 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 6+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- [not found] <0H4V009M2HYBNA@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> 2002-11-01 4:59 ` viruses (was Re: Meeting notice) Will Yardley 2002-11-01 13:13 ` Roman Neuhauser 2002-11-01 13:31 ` Vincent Lefevre 2002-11-01 13:39 ` Borzenkov Andrey 2002-11-01 17:45 ` Oliver Kiddle 2002-11-01 17:57 ` Clint Adams
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