* Absolute path of a path @ 2010-10-27 9:25 Nikolai Weibull 2010-10-27 9:34 ` Jérémie Roquet 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Nikolai Weibull @ 2010-10-27 9:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Zsh Users How do I get the absolute path of a path? The only thing I can find is the :a modifier for history expansion. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-27 9:25 Absolute path of a path Nikolai Weibull @ 2010-10-27 9:34 ` Jérémie Roquet 2010-10-27 9:37 ` Nikolai Weibull 2010-10-27 16:44 ` Vincent Lefevre 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Jérémie Roquet @ 2010-10-27 9:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Zsh Users; +Cc: Nikolai Weibull Hi, 2010/10/27 Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se>: > How do I get the absolute path of a path? The only thing I can find > is the :a modifier for history expansion. your_path(:a) For example .(:a) is pwd Best regards, -- Jérémie ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-27 9:34 ` Jérémie Roquet @ 2010-10-27 9:37 ` Nikolai Weibull 2010-10-27 16:44 ` Vincent Lefevre 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Nikolai Weibull @ 2010-10-27 9:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jérémie Roquet; +Cc: Zsh Users 2010/10/27 Jérémie Roquet <arkanosis@gmail.com>: > 2010/10/27 Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se>: >> How do I get the absolute path of a path? The only thing I can find >> is the :a modifier for history expansion. > your_path(:a) Argh. Obviously. Why didn’t I try that? Thanks! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-27 9:34 ` Jérémie Roquet 2010-10-27 9:37 ` Nikolai Weibull @ 2010-10-27 16:44 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-27 16:54 ` Jérémie Roquet ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-10-27 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 2010-10-27 11:34:44 +0200, Jérémie Roquet wrote: > 2010/10/27 Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se>: > > How do I get the absolute path of a path? The only thing I can find > > is the :a modifier for history expansion. > > your_path(:a) > > For example .(:a) is pwd BTW, is there a way to get the canonicalised absolute pathname with zsh? (i.e. what the "realpath" command gives.) -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-27 16:44 ` Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-10-27 16:54 ` Jérémie Roquet 2010-10-28 10:44 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-27 16:54 ` Mikael Magnusson 2010-10-27 16:57 ` Benjamin R. Haskell 2 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Jérémie Roquet @ 2010-10-27 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users 2010/10/27 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>: > On 2010-10-27 11:34:44 +0200, Jérémie Roquet wrote: >> 2010/10/27 Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se>: >> > How do I get the absolute path of a path? The only thing I can find >> > is the :a modifier for history expansion. >> >> your_path(:a) >> >> For example .(:a) is pwd > > BTW, is there a way to get the canonicalised absolute pathname > with zsh? (i.e. what the "realpath" command gives.) your_path(:A) I guess :) Best regards, -- Jérémie ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-27 16:54 ` Jérémie Roquet @ 2010-10-28 10:44 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-28 10:46 ` Vincent Lefevre ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-10-28 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 2010-10-27 18:54:17 +0200, Jérémie Roquet wrote: > 2010/10/27 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>: > > BTW, is there a way to get the canonicalised absolute pathname > > with zsh? (i.e. what the "realpath" command gives.) > > your_path(:A) I guess :) No. The zsh man path says: A As `a', but also resolve use of symbolic links where possible. Note that resolution of `..' occurs before resolution of sym‐ bolic links. This call is equivalent to a unless your system has the realpath system call (modern systems do). but Linux doesn't have a realpath system call. ypig:~> man 2 realpath No manual entry for realpath in section 2 FYI: ypig:~> realpath symlink/../vlefevre/symlink /home/vlefevre ypig:~> echo symlink/../vlefevre/symlink(:A) /home/vlefevre/vlefevre/symlink where symlink is a symbolic link to ".". -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-28 10:44 ` Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-10-28 10:46 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-28 10:52 ` Vincent Lefevre ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-10-28 10:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 2010-10-28 12:44:51 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2010-10-27 18:54:17 +0200, Jérémie Roquet wrote: > > 2010/10/27 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>: > > > BTW, is there a way to get the canonicalised absolute pathname > > > with zsh? (i.e. what the "realpath" command gives.) > > > > your_path(:A) I guess :) > > No. The zsh man path says: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ I meant the zshexpn man page. -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-28 10:44 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-28 10:46 ` Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-10-28 10:52 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-12-20 10:26 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-28 12:19 ` Jérémie Roquet 2010-10-28 12:45 ` Benjamin R. Haskell 3 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-10-28 10:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 2010-10-28 12:44:51 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > FYI: > > ypig:~> realpath symlink/../vlefevre/symlink > /home/vlefevre > > ypig:~> echo symlink/../vlefevre/symlink(:A) > /home/vlefevre/vlefevre/symlink > > where symlink is a symbolic link to ".". I think that this is even a bug in zsh, as ypig:~> echo symlink/../vlefevre/symlink2(:A) zsh: no match So, it seems that resolution as been done correctly (it is detected that symlink/../vlefevre/symlink exists but not symlink/../vlefevre/symlink2), however the output for the former one /home/vlefevre/vlefevre/symlink doesn't exist (there's no vlefevre file or directory in /home/vlefevre). -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-28 10:52 ` Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-12-20 10:26 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-12-20 14:44 ` Peter Stephenson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-12-20 10:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 2010-10-28 12:52:50 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2010-10-28 12:44:51 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > FYI: > > > > ypig:~> realpath symlink/../vlefevre/symlink > > /home/vlefevre > > > > ypig:~> echo symlink/../vlefevre/symlink(:A) > > /home/vlefevre/vlefevre/symlink > > > > where symlink is a symbolic link to ".". > > I think that this is even a bug in zsh, as > > ypig:~> echo symlink/../vlefevre/symlink2(:A) > zsh: no match > > So, it seems that resolution as been done correctly (it is > detected that symlink/../vlefevre/symlink exists but not > symlink/../vlefevre/symlink2), however the output for the > former one /home/vlefevre/vlefevre/symlink doesn't exist > (there's no vlefevre file or directory in /home/vlefevre). I've reported the following bug on the Debian BTS about this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607615 -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-12-20 10:26 ` Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-12-20 14:44 ` Peter Stephenson 2010-12-25 14:43 ` Vincent Lefevre 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Peter Stephenson @ 2010-12-20 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:26:45 +0100 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org> wrote: > On 2010-10-28 12:52:50 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2010-10-28 12:44:51 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > FYI: > > > > > > ypig:~> realpath symlink/../vlefevre/symlink > > > /home/vlefevre > > > > > > ypig:~> echo symlink/../vlefevre/symlink(:A) > > > /home/vlefevre/vlefevre/symlink > > > > > > where symlink is a symbolic link to ".". > > > > I think that this is even a bug in zsh, as > > > > ypig:~> echo symlink/../vlefevre/symlink2(:A) > > zsh: no match > > > > So, it seems that resolution as been done correctly (it is > > detected that symlink/../vlefevre/symlink exists but not > > symlink/../vlefevre/symlink2), however the output for the > > former one /home/vlefevre/vlefevre/symlink doesn't exist > > (there's no vlefevre file or directory in /home/vlefevre). > > I've reported the following bug on the Debian BTS about this: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607615 I'm not convinced this is a bug. It may be strange, but as it's an example manufactured to show strangeness, that's probably not too surprising. Let's leave (:A) out of this to begin with. We only need one fact about it: it's in a set of globbing flags, so that means it forces the expression to be treated as a glob, with 'no match' (or equivalent) behaviour: % cd ~/tmp % ln -s . symlink % echo symlink/../tmp/symlink(N) symlink/../tmp/symlink % echo symlink/../tmp/symlink2(N) # empty This behaviour I've shown so far is correct: symlink/../tmp/symlink is an entry in the file system (it's a symbolic link to nothing, but that's not a 'no match' condition), whereas symlink/../tmp/symlink2 isn't. Until *after* you applied :A, zsh just passes it as a string to the OS, which blindly follows it: down into symlink (doesn't change the physical directory), then up (does), then back down into tmp... oh look, there's a symlink entry here, so it exists. It's only at this stage that the flags in globbing are applied. So zsh follows the entirely different rules in this case: Note that resolution of ‘..’ occurs before resolution of symbolic links So we get (in my case, which is exactly parallel to yours) /home/pws/tmp/symlink/../tmp/symlink becomes /home/pws/tmp/tmp/symlink This is the key point. This is a different rule from how the OS tracks a file name during globbing. We do not want to mess about with the globbing rules just because the file name is going to be modified in some way after use; in particular, we don't know in general that a modifier is going to produce a real file name, consider :t. Now we try and do the following: Resolve use of symbolic links where possible ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well, it's not possible. /home/pws/tmp/tmp doesn't exist, so we're stuck at that point. Note also the rule inherited from :a Note that the transformation takes place even if the file or any intervening directories do not exist. So it's not an error that we can't do anything more, it just stops trying to do anything with it at that point and returns what it's got. If you don't want it to check for an entry in the file system, i.e. you don't want globbing rules on the file before the :A modifier is applied, you need to use parameter substitution, e.g. ${${:-symlink/../tmp/symlink}:A}, and this gives the same answer in both cases (and in both cases the filename is useless). But this is the right thing to do if you know you're about to create a path which initially (during globbing) might do something different from what happens after you've applied the :A rules. The moral is "don't expect globbing to follow rules applicable to directory string transformation". The problem underlying this is the vain attempt to make symbolic links work logically with respect to ".." when the rule applied to entries in the filesystem is different. You can disguise a certain amount of the illogic from the user, but you can't disguise it from the OS. -- Peter Stephenson <pws@csr.com> Software Engineer Tel: +44 (0)1223 692070 Cambridge Silicon Radio Limited Churchill House, Cambridge Business Park, Cowley Road, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, UK Member of the CSR plc group of companies. CSR plc registered in England and Wales, registered number 4187346, registered office Churchill House, Cambridge Business Park, Cowley Road, Cambridge, CB4 0WZ, United Kingdom ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-12-20 14:44 ` Peter Stephenson @ 2010-12-25 14:43 ` Vincent Lefevre 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-12-25 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 2010-12-20 14:44:34 +0000, Peter Stephenson wrote: > I'm not convinced this is a bug. It may be strange, but as it's an > example manufactured to show strangeness, that's probably not > too surprising. > > Let's leave (:A) out of this to begin with. We only need one fact about > it: it's in a set of globbing flags, so that means it forces the > expression to be treated as a glob, with 'no match' (or equivalent) > behaviour: > > % cd ~/tmp > % ln -s . symlink > % echo symlink/../tmp/symlink(N) > symlink/../tmp/symlink > % echo symlink/../tmp/symlink2(N) > # empty > > This behaviour I've shown so far is correct: symlink/../tmp/symlink is > an entry in the file system (it's a symbolic link to nothing, but that's > not a 'no match' condition), whereas symlink/../tmp/symlink2 isn't. > Until *after* you applied :A, zsh just passes it as a string to the OS, > which blindly follows it: down into symlink (doesn't change the physical > directory), then up (does), then back down into tmp... oh look, there's > a symlink entry here, so it exists. > > It's only at this stage that the flags in globbing are applied. So zsh > follows the entirely different rules in this case: > > Note that resolution of ‘..’ occurs before resolution of symbolic links This is confusing because the OS resolved symbolic links (during the filename generation) before the :A rule was applied, thus before the "resolution" of '..'. Moreover what zsh does with '..' is *not* the standard resolution (which is to go to the parent directory). IMHO, the documentation should say exactly what is done with '..' (this is also true for :a) and there should be a note to say that this may not be consistent to what has been done by the OS for filename generation (if the result is applied of the result of filename generation). > So we get (in my case, which is exactly parallel to yours) > > /home/pws/tmp/symlink/../tmp/symlink > > becomes > > /home/pws/tmp/tmp/symlink > > This is the key point. This is a different rule from how the OS tracks > a file name during globbing. We do not want to mess about with the > globbing rules just because the file name is going to be modified in > some way after use; in particular, we don't know in general that a > modifier is going to produce a real file name, consider :t. OK, but then I think that the documentation is very unclear and is even lying by using the word "resolve". It isn't a resolution because what is done by zsh doesn't correspond to what is done by the OS. It's just a string transformation, just like :t. Regards, -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-28 10:44 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-28 10:46 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-28 10:52 ` Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-10-28 12:19 ` Jérémie Roquet 2010-10-28 13:17 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-28 12:45 ` Benjamin R. Haskell 3 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Jérémie Roquet @ 2010-10-28 12:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users 2010/10/28 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>: > On 2010-10-27 18:54:17 +0200, Jérémie Roquet wrote: >> 2010/10/27 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>: >> > BTW, is there a way to get the canonicalised absolute pathname >> > with zsh? (i.e. what the "realpath" command gives.) >> >> your_path(:A) I guess :) > > No. The zsh man path says: > > A As `a', but also resolve use of symbolic links where possible. > Note that resolution of `..' occurs before resolution of sym‐ > bolic links. This call is equivalent to a unless your system > has the realpath system call (modern systems do). > > but Linux doesn't have a realpath system call. > > ypig:~> man 2 realpath > No manual entry for realpath in section 2 > > FYI: > > ypig:~> realpath symlink/../vlefevre/symlink > /home/vlefevre > > ypig:~> echo symlink/../vlefevre/symlink(:A) > /home/vlefevre/vlefevre/symlink > > where symlink is a symbolic link to ".". Strange, it works for me. $ pwd /udir/jroquet $ ls -l .screenrc lrwxrwxrwx 1 jroquet kmem 37 2009-10-16 14:56 .screenrc -> /udir/jroquet/Arkonf/screen/.screenrc $ ls -l .screenrc(:A) -rw-r--r-- 1 jroquet kmem 1521 2010-02-24 18:44 /udir/jroquet/Arkonf/screen/.screenrc $ echo .screenrc(:A) /udir/jroquet/Arkonf/screen/.screenrc I'm running Ubuntu Linux 10.04, zsh 4.3.10 -- Jérémie ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-28 12:19 ` Jérémie Roquet @ 2010-10-28 13:17 ` Vincent Lefevre 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Vincent Lefevre @ 2010-10-28 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 2010-10-28 14:19:54 +0200, Jérémie Roquet wrote: > Strange, it works for me. Simple examples work, but not complex ones. -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-28 10:44 ` Vincent Lefevre ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2010-10-28 12:19 ` Jérémie Roquet @ 2010-10-28 12:45 ` Benjamin R. Haskell 3 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Benjamin R. Haskell @ 2010-10-28 12:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 813 bytes --] On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2010-10-27 18:54:17 +0200, Jérémie Roquet wrote: >> 2010/10/27 Vincent Lefevre: >>> BTW, is there a way to get the canonicalised absolute pathname with >>> zsh? (i.e. what the "realpath" command gives.) >> >> your_path(:A) I guess :) > > No. The zsh man path says: > > A As `a', but also resolve use of symbolic links where possible. > Note that resolution of `..' occurs before resolution of sym‐ > bolic links. This call is equivalent to a unless your system > has the realpath system call (modern systems do). > > but Linux doesn't have a realpath system call. > > ypig:~> man 2 realpath > No manual entry for realpath in section 2 I think "system call" should be "library call" there. (so, man 3 realpath) -- Best, Ben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-27 16:44 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-27 16:54 ` Jérémie Roquet @ 2010-10-27 16:54 ` Mikael Magnusson 2010-10-27 16:57 ` Benjamin R. Haskell 2 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Mikael Magnusson @ 2010-10-27 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 27 October 2010 18:44, Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> wrote: > On 2010-10-27 11:34:44 +0200, Jérémie Roquet wrote: >> 2010/10/27 Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se>: >> > How do I get the absolute path of a path? The only thing I can find >> > is the :a modifier for history expansion. >> >> your_path(:a) >> >> For example .(:a) is pwd > > BTW, is there a way to get the canonicalised absolute pathname > with zsh? (i.e. what the "realpath" command gives.) If you mean resolving symlinks, try :A -- Mikael Magnusson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Absolute path of a path 2010-10-27 16:44 ` Vincent Lefevre 2010-10-27 16:54 ` Jérémie Roquet 2010-10-27 16:54 ` Mikael Magnusson @ 2010-10-27 16:57 ` Benjamin R. Haskell 2 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Benjamin R. Haskell @ 2010-10-27 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 930 bytes --] On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2010-10-27 11:34:44 +0200, Jérémie Roquet wrote: >> 2010/10/27 Nikolai Weibull>: >>> How do I get the absolute path of a path? The only thing I can find >>> is the :a modifier for history expansion. >> >> your_path(:a) >> >> For example .(:a) is pwd > > BTW, is there a way to get the canonicalised absolute pathname with > zsh? (i.e. what the "realpath" command gives.) With new enough Zsh, you can use: the ':A' modifier. As a workaround, though, since I have to use older Zsh'es on various systems, I have: # uses Perl, since that tends to be more consistent than 'realpath' # across the systems I was using this on: A () { reply=("$(perl -MCwd=realpath -we 'print realpath shift' $REPLY)") } Then, instead of: your_path(:A) -- returns the realpath in new Zsh'es. you can do: your_path(+A) -- calls the 'A' function above to find the realpath -- Best, Ben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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