From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10194 invoked by alias); 9 Sep 2012 18:38:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 17242 Received: (qmail 427 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2012 18:38:15 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received-SPF: pass (ns1.primenet.com.au: SPF record at internecto.net designates 176.9.245.29 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.internecto.net Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 20:38:08 +0200 From: Mark van Dijk To: Axel Beckert Cc: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: Zsh on Debian is beginning to rot Message-ID: <20120909203808.7c627d0c@internecto.net> In-Reply-To: <20120909175104.GV30122@sym.noone.org> References: <20120909131050.15057aa6@internecto.net> <20120909175104.GV30122@sym.noone.org> Organization: Internecto SIS X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, > On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 01:10:50PM +0200, Mark van Dijk wrote: > > Subject: Zsh on Debian is beginning to rot > > Ehm, do you really know what you're talking about? > > > Take a look at this output of my Debian Squeeze box: > > > > Package: zsh > > Version: 4.3.10-14 > > Squeeze is about 1.5 years old, Squeeze's feature freeze was in the > beginning of August 2010 and zsh 4.3.10 was the uptodate zsh > developement (!) release back then. Yeah, so it's 2 years old and it did have some minor fixes since then. The word 'rot' was chosen poorly sorry about that, if I pissed you off too much I apologise. > Do you really know how Linux distributions in general and Debian in > specific works? I don't think so. No I have absolutely no clue. I just started working with it yesterday after I spilled an entire can of Dr. Pepper on my MSX2. It really saddened me because I almost got to the end of Road Fighter. Ok, here's the honest answer. While I indeed do realise how Debian works with their versioning strategy (and I commend them for that in general) there is a genuine (but admittedly stupid) reason for why I sent my email -- > > Package: zsh-beta > > Version: 4.3.10-dev-1+20100720-1 > > Compare the freeze date with the date in the version number: Clint > upload an uptodate snapshot just two weeks before the freeze for > Squeeze. > > > Debian sid is not much better - version 4.3.17. > > Which is the second last release of zsh and the last developement > release of zsh before the freeze for Wheezy. Nothing wrong here > either. -- i.e. I did not check the versioning of Zsh properly. For some reason the wrong version stuck with me (4.7.13) which is bogative. This morning I got a bit too annoyed because I kept hitting a couple of issues that have been fixed after 4.3.10. Had a rotten night, yada yada, and sent the mail. > (snip) > Ok, this shows that you really have _NO_ idea how Debian or most other > Linux distributions work. Go and do your homework before complaining. > See the according question[2] in FAQ for a start. (Or use a rolling > release based Linux distribution instead in case you dislike the idea > of _stable_ _releases_.) > (snip) > Kind regards, Axel Not that kind but I deserved it, sorry again, I go sit in corner now yes. Mark