From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17462 invoked by alias); 11 Sep 2012 00:23:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 17255 Received: (qmail 5317 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2012 00:23:26 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received-SPF: none (ns1.primenet.com.au: domain at vinc17.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:15:40 +0200 From: Vincent Lefevre To: zsh-users@zsh.org Cc: Ray Andrews Subject: Re: Zsh on Debian is beginning to rot Message-ID: <20120911001540.GJ16413@xvii.vinc17.org> Mail-Followup-To: zsh-users@zsh.org, Ray Andrews References: <20120909131050.15057aa6@internecto.net> <20120909175104.GV30122@sym.noone.org> <20120909203808.7c627d0c@internecto.net> <20120910001601.GW30122@sym.noone.org> <504E0058.8010802@eastlink.ca> <20120910184214.GB5515@sym.noone.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20120910184214.GB5515@sym.noone.org> X-Mailer-Info: http://www.vinc17.net/mutt/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21-6215-vl-r53514 (2012-07-22) On 2012-09-10 20:42:15 +0200, Axel Beckert wrote: > There are three full distributions in Debian: stable, testing and > unstable. (For better overview I ignore oldstable and experimental.) I wouldn't even say the experimental is a distribution; it's more a set of packages. By that, I mean that in general, maintainers ignore dependencies for experimental, so that things may break badly. Upgrade from experimental packages may also easily break. After having problems in the past (sometimes affecting new versions in unstable due to incorrect upgrade), I now avoid experimental (except occasionally for bug testing); in the future I would only use it in a specific VM. Now, this system of fixed distributions is quite rigid, and for more flexibility, some packages are available in different versions. This is particularly the case for GCC (e.g., gcc-4.4, gcc-4.5, gcc-4.6, gcc-4.7, gcc-snapshot, where gcc-snapshot is only available in unstable, so that it is not affected by the freeze at all). For zsh, there are zsh and zsh-beta, but I don't really see the point of having both in stable (this may have been interesting in the past, but it seems that in the past few years, zsh has evolved slowly enough so that only one version would be needed in stable). So, how about removing zsh-beta from testing (hoping that it is not too late) and make it no longer affected by freezes? -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)